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21 Jun 2026 01:04:46
I get the idea of “we need to be like Brighton and Bournemouth because they’ve done well over a sustained period of time and we haven’t”. Cool.
“Aston Villa bought well and we haven’t, we cannot expect to compete with them”. Cool.
Problem is, how did Sunderland get Europe then after coming straight up to the Premier League after basically changing their entire squad? Do they operate on The Flash time, and while it looked like one season to us, to them it was actually 20 seasons?
Sunderland destroy any argument Moyes or people who agree with him make, because they haven’t taken years, they haven’t got amazing world class players.
So how did Sunderland manage it in one, yet we are called unrealistic for wanting a bit better than 13th place after our manager spent a load of money in the summer only to not play most of the players he chose to buy.
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21 Jun 2026 07:47:30
We are stuck in a rut, and Moyes' stability season is over. Now, let's not allow mid-table mediocrity to be our resting place. Make changes where we are standing still. That applies to all aspects of the club. Stadium, being the biggest issue over time, is now sorted.
You'd think the rest is pretty much achievable now.
Sunderland, Forest, Leicester, Swansea, etc. have all done the impossible, and many others. Let's hope the club can make the necessary changes to allow us fans to see some success too.
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21 Jun 2026 08:11:39
The whole thing starts with the manager. If he has a negative mindset, then so will the players. Playing not to lose, then losing just saps all the life out of the team. We then get the manager saying certain players are not doing enough in training so he doesn't pick them. Where's the motivation, where's the man management?
The Spurs game summed it up for me. The game was there to be won but the manager had us sitting deep and the inevitable happened.
Then, with only a few minutes to go, he made changes, and we got players on the pitch who actually wanted to attack, and we looked a different team. The galling thing is these players have spent most of the season on the bench, because the manager doesn't think they work hard enough.
Keep this manager and we will remain a mid table team, and nothing will change.
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{Ed025's Note - im with you AD..
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21 Jun 2026 09:50:59
Anyone could get a team in the top 6 of the prem nowadays. The football is poor, the managers are poor. I reckon I could get Everton in the top 6 in that league and I've only coached at junior level for 14 years. Honestly anyone that has anything about them would be able to fly up that league.
The standard is really really poor. Anyone could do it. This is not a joke. I honestly believe there is some plonkets in that league and if Sunderland, Fulham, Brighton, Forest, Villa can do it anyone can.
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21 Jun 2026 10:41:37 Always been a fan of Moyes, but we seem to be stable again now, perhaps it is time to get a progressive manager and let him spend some money. I do worry that Moyes seems to prefer the older players. That's what Bournemouth and Brighton are doing, so if we are looking to follow them, perhaps before the season starts is a good time to do it.
20 Jun 2026 21:04:10
I've tried to stay patient with Moyes since he came back, because his first job was simple, keep us up. Fair enough, he did that. But last season was supposed to be about improving us, pushing us on, showing that we weren't just treading water anymore. And what did we get? One point more than the season before. One. If that's "improvement", then the bar is on the floor.
And then he comes out with this comment while in the US for the World Cup about not knowing whether a club like Everton can make "big huge strides", and that we should basically be aiming to match Bournemouth and Brentford. I'm sorry, but that's embarrassing. It's small time and it's the exact opposite of what this club needs, what us fans need.
What makes it worse is the history. This isn't the first time he's talked like this. When he left us the first time, he said he'd taken Everton as far as he could, and that was when we were finishing just around European places. Now he's back, and instead of talking about pushing on, he's lowering expectations even further. It's like he's already decided our ceiling before we've even kicked a ball for the new season.
I'm not asking for miracles. I'm not asking for Europe every year. I'm asking for a manager who actually believes Everton can grow again. Someone who doesn't talk like we should be grateful to be in the same bracket as clubs who were playing Championship football 5 years ago.
Moyes might keep us organised at the back. He might of kept us safe. But comments like this show exactly why he's not the man to take us any further. If he doesn't believe in the club's potential, then what's the point? We've spent years fighting fires. We don't need another manager telling us to accept our place.
For me, it's simple, ambition matters. And right now, he's showing none.
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21 Jun 2026 03:55:32
Great post. Moyes has done his job. Now let's get someone who'll take us to the next level.
UTFT NSNO. 💙 💙 💙
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21 Jun 2026 08:13:46
Absolutely spot on, OS.
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21 Jun 2026 10:23:16
The other point, OS, is that he did not even keep our defence organised when we lost those last seven matches. They represented almost one quarter of all our league games.
20 Jun 2026 20:05:02
What bothers me about Moyse is the seeming lack of willingness to take accountability for last pre-season's transfer mistakes. He wants money now..but he had money back then.and he spent it arguably quite poorly. He does not account for spending so much cash on 2 players he hardly gave an outing to. (and the local press seem scared to ask him) and for buying Barry who has not looked to date anything like what Everton need in a number 9. So one can understand a certain reticence on the part of TFG in giving him a lot to spend because they are not certain he will use it well.
I think Moyse's record shows he is better at bargain basement (Pienarr, Arteta) but when he has had larger amounts to spend has not used it to best effect. Juan Mata Chelsea to Utd comes to mind.
I don't think he can last beyond Christmas if he keeps tempering the supporters' ambitions.and buying average players who will not take us into Europe..while clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford with far less money available seem to know how to spend a little well and take a run at the big guns.
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20 Jun 2026 21:56:03
The answer is quite simple. If he can't be trusted to spend the money wisely (which he can't) , then get rid of him now and bring in someone who can. Waiting till Christmas will mean that a new manager will be stuck with whatever crap he brings in.
TFG have brought this on themselves by giving him too much control, and allowing him to have the final say on who goes and who comes in.
It now seems like he feels that he is untouchable and can come out with whatever s**** he wants, that is disrespectful to the club, the staff, the players and, most of all, the supporters.
20 Jun 2026 18:01:50
Having listened and read Moyes' latest Everton comments, I, as a Moyes supporter, want him to go. Defeatist and running your own Club down are not the words of an Everton manager I want to hear.
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20 Jun 2026 19:20:43
Absolutely dms.
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21 Jun 2026 08:17:16
Well, if I were the owners I would be phoning him up and saying don't bother coming back, you're done. Stick to talking bollocks on the telly, that's your level.
20 Jun 2026 15:21:05
With the greatest of respect for Brentford and Bournemouth. Having a target of competing with those clubs shows just how unsuitable a manager Moyes is for Everton Football Club.
I fully appreciate that competing with Arsenal, City, or United is, at this moment, unrealistic, but that should be the target, and steps to reach that target should be being actively persued.
The lack of ambition in Moyes' public statements is both soul destroying, and hardly likely to attract the type of player we need to start closing that gap.
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20 Jun 2026 16:29:31
Get shot of dithering Dave asap would be a step in the right direction.
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20 Jun 2026 16:54:25
Small steps though, mate, those clubs have been run well over the last few years, and have left us playing catch up. You could include Palace to that list too. They have all bought and played well during the time we have been scrapping at the other end.
We haven't been a top 8 club for close to a decade, so the target should be to catch up to them before looking up again at the so called top 6. You said it yourself, it's unrealistic to target the likes of Arsenal et al just now.
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20 Jun 2026 17:31:41
Well, Aston Villa managed it, and it didn't take them years and years. Sick of this small steps tripe. Get the right manager first, doesn't need to take years and years. Even Sunderland have shown what can be achieved with the right recruiting.
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20 Jun 2026 18:22:55
Some of us are sick of the constant whining too, mate. If you think we are going to be making massive strides with the squad we have, then you're being very naive and totally unrealistic.
The difference is that Villa bought well over a sustained period, we haven't yet. Some of you expect us to be some formidable force, crazy!
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20 Jun 2026 19:10:58
Bluepotato, if you look at Villa when they sacked Gerrard and brought in Emry, they were in a relegation battle. He bought Rogers, Digne, and Martinez in the summer window, and the winter window was McGinn, Cash and Steklenberg on a free, and they made Champions League the following season and have added each season, and last season bought nobody due to psr. They have got a manager who gives his younger players the first team touch, and they are Champions League regulars and also Eufa Cup winners, all in less than 3 years.
So all this about Dinosaur Dave and his reluctance to even give us a glimmer of hope, it seems to me you think that in 3-5 years with this loser at the helm we may possibly get a top 8 finish. I am 70 years of age, have been going since 1963 and thru the glum 80s, but this man has dragged us down constantly even first time around, and at top 6 teams he is like a snail afraid to come out of his shell. Don't quote we beat Man Utd, he has won 2 of something like 82 games against to the top 6, enough said.
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20 Jun 2026 19:24:58
Could not have put it better myself, Alanc. Seems some supporters have been brainwashed into believing some of the tripe this man talks.
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20 Jun 2026 19:30:08
Thanks, BDM. My post was meant to say 70s, not the fantastic 80s from 83-87.
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20 Jun 2026 19:49:14
Al, I don't necessarily disagree with you. Read my first comment, mate. We haven't bought well in comparison to the teams that have been mentioned above so, in my opinion, we can't expect to be pulling up trees with the squad we have and our recent history of scrapping at the bottom of the league with almost the same players.
I'm being realistic, not backing the manager.
If we had decent full backs and decent forwards, it would be a different proposition but, alas, those positions have been filled with inadequate players for too many seasons.
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20 Jun 2026 20:07:50
Bluepotato, I agree with your comments, but surely it must be a kick in the teeth to hear your manager coming out with statements so frequently it makes me think he is preparing for the s to hit the fan and is in the process of covering his a**e.
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20 Jun 2026 20:33:09
Very difficult for us to assess how well we have bought, Bluepotato, since Moyes either does not play them or plays them in a position they are not best suited. Have to agree, though, we can and should do better.
I for one am not expecting miracles. What I do want is for us to play attacking football which is pleasurable to watch and gets us out of our chairs.
Generally speaking, in my long experience, when this happens the positive results follow. It does, however, have its risks, which is why we need a solid defensive foundation which we don't have at present.
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20 Jun 2026 20:46:59
It was actually Gerrard that signed Lucas Digne.
Villa actually haven't bought that well at all, which is why PSR are knocking. Maybe about 5 or 6 decent signings at a push. It is the manager that is the difference maker and the real star of the show for me.
Amadou Onana - £51.46m > Been injured and in and out of the team.
Moussa Diaby - £47.69m > Decent before they flipped him.
Ian Maatsen - £38.58m > Can't get in over Digne.
Pau Torres - £28.61m > Average.
Evann Guessand - £26.01m > Miss & sold to Palace.
Jhon Duran - £25.58m > Good bench option and sold for a profit.
Donyell Malen - £21.68m > Good player but not liked by Emery.
Tammy Abraham - £18.21m > Miss.
Cameron Archer - £14.44m > Flipped to Saints.
Jaden Philogene - £13.87m > Flipped to Ispwich.
Samuel Iling-Junior - £12.14m > Miss.
Alex Moreno - £11.70m > Miss.
Lewis Dobbin - £10.23m > PSR fudge.
Alysson - £8.67m > TBD.
Morgan Rogers - £8.15m > Great buy.
Enzo Barrenechea - £6.94m > TBD.
Loaned out.
Kosta Nedeljkovic - £6.59m > Same as above.
Andres Garcia - £6.07m > TBD.
Yasin Ozcan - £6.07m > Loaned straight out.
Axel Disasi - Loan fee: £5.20m > Miss.
Ross Barkley - £5.12m > Not bad. Not great.
Nicolo Zaniolo - Loan fee: £4.34m > Miss.
Douglas Luiz - Loan fee: £1.73m > Miss.
Joe Gauci - £1.30m > Young keeper loaned out to lower leagues.
Marco Bizot - Undisclosed > Barely played.
Youri Tielemans - Free transfer > Great signing.
Victor Lindelof - Free transfer > Crap.
Marcus Rashford - Loan transfer > Did ok for the loan.
Marco Asensio - Loan transfer > Same as above.
Jadon Sancho - Loan transfer > Miss.
Harvey Elliott - Loan transfer > Weird deal all round.
Clement Lenglet - Loan transfer > Awful.
I would say about 6 of those signings have been decent to very good - Diaby, Duran, Rogers, Tielemans, Rashford & Asensio and then the rest are ok to dreadful, with some yet to be determined.
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20 Jun 2026 20:53:21
Al, I think we are going to have to put up with him until at least Christmas in all honesty. I stopped listening to managers around the time Koeman was there, they all talk out of their arses, mate.
BlueMike, it's not just Moyes that has bought badly, the only consistent thing we have done over the last ten years is get recruitment wrong, we could go back to the summer of 10 number 10s! The only light at the end of the tunnel is that TFG have, allegedly, got the right people in the right positions behind the scenes so we can hopefully see improvement on that score as we move forward.
Time will tell, pal, I think we all want to see a more attacking team this coming season and we will hopefully address it over the summer. I do feel that too many have too high expectations and it is causing them to lose their heads a bit when things don't run smoothly. I've got more patience than most, it seems, but that doesn't mean I'm accepting how things have gone, I just think it's early days in the TFG tenure and that they will protect their investment properly. I don't want to go back to the wasted decade that FM put us through, even if he did get us our nice new home.
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21 Jun 2026 00:39:03
I try to be patient, Bluepotato. It's just very difficult at 86. The only good thing about being older is that I can shoot my age at golf. As far as Everton are concerned, I was 55 when I watched us win the cup at Wembley in 1995.
My son is now about the same age I was then. Am I expected to wait until my grandson is the same age? I think that our patience is exhausted.
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21 Jun 2026 09:09:15
Well, as you are aware, my patience has gone. We play the worst style of football in the league, and I defy anyone to say we don't. Constant whining, really, so give me something to be positive about, anything.
And don't give me the well we weren't involved in a relegation battle nonsense. Guys had a full season, and I'm struggling to see the difference between his and Dyche's team, and apparently we have better players.
19 Jun 2026 21:27:51
Hi all - looking for advice. I don't get a chance to get up to games often, but would love to take my boy and dad to opening game Vs Palace.
Is the Forever Blue+ membership worth it? Are tickets likely to sell out on initial ballot, or is it likely some will go on sale to Forever Blue members? And would all 3 of us need to be Forever Blue+ members?
Thanks for your help!
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20 Jun 2026 16:10:47
Wish I could help, mate, but haven't got a clue.
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20 Jun 2026 16:32:32
I'd be interested to know the answer, TiH, as I'm in a similar position.
There's premium tickets available but they are around £120 per game (more for bigger profile games) .
There's also seat unique tickets that give you options of food, but don't feel my lad wouldn't really benefit from that.
Ended up taking him to Goodison last time I was up as it cost £20 for the two of us. Still waiting for a decent opportunity to get him to BMD.
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20 Jun 2026 19:49:59
Gave up my season ticket, son moved away, but fortunately has good mates (season ticket holders) . So membership and son's mates mean I have many visits to Dick.
19 Jun 2026 19:33:18
When I was growing up in West Derby, Everton were a force, winning the league and the FA Cup. Following our Cup win in 1995 we had poor management for too long. Then we got rid of the Russian influence and got new American owners. A new beginning? Well maybe, but the fact that they have not been to see us play once results in the realization that there objectives and ours as supporters may well differ.
They are business men and have made getting the financial part of the business on a level footing and putting football people into the top jobs. Building the financial benefits of the new stadium by using it for non-football events must be high on there agenda. Investigating business opportunities in the area around the stadium also must be a given.
While the last eight games of last season were a disappointment they obviously see no reason to make panic changes at the moment.
They will give Moyes whatever the financial situation allows the club to spend for new players. If additional players are needed it will be financed by sales of existing players. Consequently unless a miracle happens we can only expect a slow improvement over the next few seasons.
The issue I have with all of this is that I am fed up watching boot-ball, dreary football, poor management and late substitutions. Anyone who believes that the football we have been playing is exciting is not as old as me, I have seen better days.
By the way please keep your replies pleasant. At 86 I have had a hernia operation two days ago and need to keep calm, my wife (from Prescot) insists on it.
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19 Jun 2026 20:36:44
Good post, Mike. I, too, have seen all the glory days. Keep your feet up and chill out, mate, you deserve it.
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19 Jun 2026 21:04:51
Thanks GB, I do enjoy your posts, I'm just not as bullish as you. I just want to see us play some quality football. If we do, the good results will follow.
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19 Jun 2026 21:24:41
Yeah, good post, Mike. I absolutely understand where you're coming from. I don't think any of us are blown away by the style of football. For a long time, I've just been worried about relegation, and so a 'safe' season seemed a bonus. Expectations must be higher for next season. All the best for the upcoming op, mate.
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19 Jun 2026 22:03:18
I don't know if I'm right, but I just get the feeling TFG are more interested in the stadium and the location of it to make a buck, and the fans and or football come second. I could be wrong, but that's just way they make me feel.
I can't see them making enough positive changes for our club to win any trophies in my lifetime. Mid to 6th in the Premier League will do just fine for them, I think.
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19 Jun 2026 22:39:58
Hey Mike, a little bit younger than you but old enough to see Alex Young in his prime. Used to drink in the Barrie's in West Derby.
I get what you're saying and also find it frustrating that we have moved so far away from the style of football I used to watch.
I can only think that younger supporters these days have had nothing to get excited about, so see avoiding relegation as a success.
Sad times, and if we continue in this vain, I doubt I will ever see this club lift a trophy again.
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19 Jun 2026 23:12:48
76 bluemike, incisional hernia after radical cystectomy, buggars won't operate cos of low body fat. Stress with this lot don't help. Now you all know why I am a bloody miserable sod.
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20 Jun 2026 01:31:06
Understand fully, dms. A radical cystectomy is serious. Hope the hernia is not causing any pain, and if it is, get them to do the hernia operation with laparoscopic surgery. Very little cutting and recovery is much faster. Not all hospitals do it, but do some research. Good luck, mate.
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20 Jun 2026 01:44:41
Hi BMD, by the time I had reached drinking age we had moved to Alder Road so it was The Queens on Queens Drive for me.
My best mate at school and who I went to matches with was Neville Smith who went on to co-write and act in "The Golden Vision". Have kept in touch with Neville over the years, but he is not well now, unfortunately.
Loved Alex Young and called my son Ian Alexander. Wish we had him now, although he would be too small for Moyes style boot the ball up field football. I haven't watched the kid Graham, but he may be a Young look-alike.
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20 Jun 2026 09:19:48
My No2 son is called Alex and No1 son is Harry after Mr Catterick. Wanted to call the daughter Howard but the missus wasn't having any of that. 😂
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20 Jun 2026 11:00:06
Graham does look very very light to me, excellent player, but not ready yet for Prem (my opinion) .
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20 Jun 2026 12:21:51
Yes, you might be right, Dms, but Alex Young was only 5 foot 9 inches and very slight. He and Roy Vernon, who was a chain smoker and thin as a rail, did pretty well for Everton at a time when tackles that today would see red were allowed.
You just can't coach the sort of natural talent that Graham appears to have. Maybe a combination of a big guy like Beto and Graham would work, but probably will not happen under Moyes.
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20 Jun 2026 13:08:35
I agree, Beto, plus a small quick sticker would work well, but it's a very unlikely set up under Moyes.
The absence of the owner, or his son, from day to day involvement, is imo, very unhelpful, relying on the feedback from those they have appointed, in essence, they get to mark their own homework, a little closer to the views of the supporter, might give them a very different perspective.
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20 Jun 2026 16:00:30
The problem is always that the Friedkin Group owns 19 various businesses including large car dealerships. So Friedkin and his son are just business owners and the only part of Everton that they care about is financial.
Yes, being better and getting more revenue from the football side is expected, but there are other ways to make money and the new stadium is the key.
Let's see if they turn up for a game this coming season!
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20 Jun 2026 16:41:42
I'm pleased they are leaving the football to those who know what they are doing. Don't want another Moshiri situation with a clueless chairman making all sorts of wrong decisions.
I'm trying to remember how we played under Moyes in his first stint. I swear there was some good football, especially with Arteta and Cahill in the side.
I just don't feel he is ambitious enough to play anything but hoof-ball. Depressed me to think we have another season of lack lustre play. Would be nice to actually play some decent football for once. Some of the away games seem to have been alright. Maybe the home games will follow.
19 Jun 2026 16:59:00
Does anybody get the feeling that Everton are stuck in groundhog day. Lots of positive talk on who we might bring in, lots of positivity, real hope and enthusiasm, only to be beaten to the punch by other sides, and be left with those that nobody really wanted.
I know this is depressing, and I really hope I am wrong, but then again this is Everton.
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19 Jun 2026 17:44:10
Does anybody get the feeling that Everton are stuck in Groundhog Day? Lots of positive talk on who we might bring in, lots of positivity, real hope and enthusiasm, only to be beaten to the punch by other sides, and be left with those that nobody really wanted.
I know this is depressing, and I really hope I am wrong, but then again this is Everton.
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Yes.
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19 Jun 2026 19:14:56
The fact that we haven't signed anyone but a 16 year old from Dundee (who will never make it under Dino Dave) while other sides have already improved speaks volumes.
Hackney and Wan-Bissaka seemed pretty much done weeks ago.
Yet, still nothing, Hackney being linked with Palace and Newcastle now whilst we inevitably end up with Mark Noble coming out of retirement or spend £50m on Liam Delap.
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19 Jun 2026 19:57:45
Looking at a loan for Delap, makes far more sense than £50 million. Strewth.
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19 Jun 2026 20:20:44
You going through an Aussie phase, GB? Second 'Strewth.' today. You'll be saying good onya and barby's next.
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19 Jun 2026 20:38:06
Trying to lighten the mood mate, too many on here seem to be from down under. 😂😂
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19 Jun 2026 20:45:01
🤣 Love it.
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20 Jun 2026 19:29:55
Perhaps it's Moyes digeridont attitude.
{Ed025's Note - im with you AD..