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25 Jul 2024 12:23:04
Is that true JB will not sign a new contract at Everton unless they match the Man U offer of £160.000 does anyone know.
1.) 25 Jul 2024 12:48:31
Feels like blatant tapping up if true. It's one thing to declare interest and unsettle someone, it's another to sabotage contract negotiations by telling someone how much you'd pay them.
2.) 25 Jul 2024 13:01:00
Would you tbf? Best ask his agent GB. The player has all the power mate, even tho still has few years on his contract we run risk of him running his contract down or sulking.
Modern day football for you. Sheer greed.
3.) 25 Jul 2024 13:33:10
If another company in same line as work offered you a higher salary, to do the same job, would you ask your current employer to match it? Or stay and say, don't worry boss I'll do the same for you but for a lot less.
4.) 25 Jul 2024 14:02:23
Yeah totally get that bunkbeds, but totally different scenario we are talking tens of thousands per week not £300-400.
I'd like to think if I was happy and those around me I would commit and help the club/ work, but easy to say when not in that predicament nor have any alliance to the club.
He doesn't sign his value will plummet next summer. Bang on comment from EFCONE in regards them being allowed to offer terms whilst still under contract to us, happens all time tho.
5.) 25 Jul 2024 14:05:22
That's probably why man utd offered a petty sum for him, they promised him so much money instead of offering us a decent fee and just doubling his wages!
6.) 25 Jul 2024 14:15:26
We can’t know for sure, but he doesn’t seem the type to sulk, he’ll be looking for force his way into contention for the England squad.
We don’t have to offer him anything, he’s got years left on his contract.
7.) 25 Jul 2024 14:26:26
Well it makes you wonder why they even bother having contracts in the first place.
8.) 25 Jul 2024 15:19:40
Did we offer Branthwaite better pay than he was at Carlisle? Or Pickford mote than Sunderland? Or Beto, Chermiti? McNeil? Cahill, Cottee? Etc etc etc.
Tapping up is annoying I get it, bet we've done it as well.
Regardless of being hundreds or thousands we'd all want earn as much we could for our families, even if sometimes the amounts are pretty obscene compared to the rest of us earning a normal wage.
9.) 25 Jul 2024 15:30:47
Do we stick or twist we don’t up his pay to £160 grand he goes, good player and I do not want him to go but £160 grand wow.
10.) 25 Jul 2024 16:50:09
He is still under contract GB. So he can’t just walk away.
11.) 25 Jul 2024 16:50:56
If he signs a new contract at 160 then it's around 6-7m more for the year but how much more can we ask for him if next year he has 4 years left and another great season under his belt.
70-80 mill?
Got to be worth the investment.
12.) 25 Jul 2024 17:15:12
I agree with Smit.
We have to take into consideration how much it would cost us to replace a player of his ability.
He is definitely worth the extra money given the fact that he won’t be with us past next season.
He is no longer an unknown quantity and people will definitely be judging him a lot more closely. If he has another season like the last one, I think we will be well within our rights to ask for 80m +.
{Ed002's Note - Just to be clear - there has been no tapping up. Manchester United approached Everton and have spoken with his agent. That is how transfers work.}
13.) 25 Jul 2024 17:41:30
Agree Smit666 but only if he signs a long term contract. Have to maximise any sell on price.
Would also pay it just to stop the Mancs getting him.
14.) 25 Jul 2024 17:53:08
Good post Smit makes a lot of sense that.
15.) 25 Jul 2024 17:55:02
why would we even offer a new contract to a player who signed a contract October last year and has 3 years left on that contact?
16.) 25 Jul 2024 18:07:09
& What effect will that have on other squad members who believe they deserve parity? Or any potential future signings demands?
Agree makes since to tie him down but no one is bigger than the club, if he is on £70pw and asking £160k PW then think £120k take or leave, the tail can't wag the dog, let's be fair he is 22 had 1 very good season and I fully expect to kick on again (if his head and hearts in EFC) but does it justify a 90k payrise and potential unrest in squad after the predicament the club has been in, just hope those ain't making noise too much.
17.) 25 Jul 2024 18:43:27
I just think it is ridiculous that some teams can offer that sort of money a week and others can’t without falling foul of PSR.
There is only one direction this is heading: mega rich clubs with all the talent and the rest of us having to surrender our best assets as we just can’t compete. Euro Super league is coming unless this can be addressed - how they would or could do this is beyond me.
18.) 25 Jul 2024 19:05:15
Mocker we had players on 100k a week last season who spent the whole time on the bench. Agree it’s a lot of money, but if we want the maximum return in future sales then it’s something we have to do.
19.) 25 Jul 2024 19:22:36
He’s a great defender but he’s not £160k a week
Yet after his breakout season
Pay bump and build in the contract it rises over the coming years, could that be an option?
New 5 year contract with options on further years.
20.) 25 Jul 2024 19:33:46
Bottom line is that the best teams get the best players. Rich clubs get an unfair advantage. There was a time when we were one of the richest clubs in England and therefore could afford the best players. As unfair as it feels on us now, we were once that club who could afford to take from others. For sure though, the PSR has perversely ensured the status of an elite few despite its purpose of sustaining clubs operational costs.
21.) 25 Jul 2024 19:48:56
Notforme.
I get the logic mate, but we are trying to get ourselves on a even kneel, we can't afford to pay top 4 wages that's the reality, then for example Pickford or DCL etc coming knocking if have a decent season.
The problem is rightly or wrongly Man Utd stating what they pay, I know it ain't breaking any rules and we will have been guilty of it ourselves but BR stated in his post this is getting stupid, contracts mean nothing, we all know no loyalty in football, would be nice for players to actually come out and commit and say I've a contract I will honour it, mate he is 22 70k PW, not just him but football in general, something has to give and as BR states how can teams compete or hope to build, what happens say we give him the 160k and he gets too comfy and form effort totally drops off, like for example rashford or a Pogba once they got their bumper rise, doesn't seem the type Jarrad but it's the agents and greed that have taken over football, it's no good for football and I say that as a football fan not just a Everton one.
22.) 25 Jul 2024 20:07:28
Give him what he wants but make him sign a long term deal. 7 yrs. Build a team around him. This kid is class and we will struggle to replace him. Pay for quality instead of the last few seasons of paying over 100k per week for dross.
23.) 26 Jul 2024 09:40:38
You have a good point Mocker, can’t argue with that mate.
24 Jul 2024 17:43:24
Kevin Malone rumours gathering pace.
1.) 24 Jul 2024 18:25:15
Dunno why, but this doesn't excite me as much as the friedkin takeover
Hope to be proved wrong tho.
2.) 24 Jul 2024 18:46:35
Same as that mate, and I reckon Freidkin will come back as well.
3.) 24 Jul 2024 21:21:44
Reading there is another offer on the table.
4.) 24 Jul 2024 22:37:48
Seems to me Morshiri is playing them all off against each other to get the best price. Shambles of a man.
5.) 24 Jul 2024 23:26:09
I’m not sure he’s that clever Nick.
6.) 25 Jul 2024 07:26:38
Think maybe Friedkin is playing Moshiri more like.
7.) 25 Jul 2024 07:55:19
What position does he play mate?
22 Jul 2024 20:02:09
Jackson Tchatchoua tipped to sign for us, full back from Hellas Verona, deal close.
1.) 23 Jul 2024 09:50:26
most likely destination is Rennes.
22 Jul 2024 16:24:13
Several reports suggesting that Freidkin will come back to the table as he's after a reduced Price for Everton.
1.) 22 Jul 2024 19:37:42
I hope that is the case GB but the fact is that Firkin unearthed something while doing due diligence that put up a red flag is very worrying.
22 Jul 2024 14:33:58
Any truth in the rumour we are very close to signing Gnonto for £20 million but Leeds want £25 million, report saying a deal is close.
1.) 22 Jul 2024 16:34:23
All of our deals are about 20% short of coming off!
2.) 23 Jul 2024 09:52:34
Leeds playing hardball over the price, under no immediate threat to sell (even though you'd think that was the case)
Gnonto recently changed agency, and is keen on the move again, but Leeds and EFC still fair distance apart in valuation.
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25 Jul 2024 18:37:21
Well that post below drew a big response, hope JB stays but only if his heart is in it, do not want a disconsolate player in the Team whoever he is, no player is bigger than the Club.
1.) 25 Jul 2024 19:50:26
Exactly what I said GB. Weeks ago once this started to unfold. The danger was him always sulking and getting unsettled.
{Ed025's Note - i would call his and his agent bluff myself Mocker..
2.) 25 Jul 2024 20:45:16
Moshiri would be sat there with 2,7 off suit Ed ????.
{Ed025's Note - i just hope someone goes all in on him mate..
23 Jul 2024 11:14:14
Good article this morning from a EFL Chairman that Everton will be sold in the near future saying Everton are an attractive side to investors, good news hope he's right.
1.) 24 Jul 2024 11:54:25
I read that, when you see the figures he was estimating I'm suprise there's not a queue as long as goodison wanting to buy the club,
22 Jul 2024 16:25:21
Onana completes his move to Villa for £50 million, happy with that.
1.) 22 Jul 2024 17:06:44
Would have liked a bit more myself GB.
Other clubs seem to command much higher fees for their sought after players.
I think Southampton got £58 mill for Lavia. We have a Belgian in Onana who is keeping him out of the national team in the same position. He has experience in 3 major European leagues, he has captained his country and a lot of big clubs were rumoured to be interested.
A 17 million mark up for me represents poor business, especially when we lose a portion of that profit anyway.
{Ed002's Note - It was nothing to do with Lavia.}
2.) 22 Jul 2024 17:08:09
Yeah, good deal for us. Never turned out to be the player we hoped he would be but maybe a fresh start will do him good.
3.) 22 Jul 2024 17:24:24
I didn’t say that they had anything to do with one another. It was merely a reference point for measuring the deal.
4.) 22 Jul 2024 17:31:35
Why do fans always compare player sale costs?
5.) 22 Jul 2024 17:37:55
Because it’s a banter and rumour site we all love it.
6.) 22 Jul 2024 17:45:32
Never really did enough for us, spent time on the subs bench. So will we miss him probably not.
7.) 22 Jul 2024 18:32:11
Agree Brass and needs must eh.
8.) 22 Jul 2024 18:35:51
Unless your under 10 years old the cost comparison between players is not banter it's annoying.
9.) 22 Jul 2024 19:11:34
I couldn’t care less if you find it annoying.
We are in a precarious position with finances to say the least and we should be getting the most money we can for our most saleable assets to put us in a better position.
10.) 22 Jul 2024 19:41:20
Any player, at any time is worth exactly what the highest bidder is prepared to pay. Personally, I think 50 million is a good deal in the current market.
No need to start the playground name calling, lads.
11.) 22 Jul 2024 20:03:47
Of course it’s banter we all do it chill out Skylark.
12.) 22 Jul 2024 21:53:33
£50m based on what he did for us in 2 years feels like we’ve had villas pants down.
He could well go on to be a world class player, however definitely didn’t show that whilst with us and we even played better when he wasn’t in the team.
Hope he does well and Villa may suit him but don’t think we can grumble at the price we received for a player we probably won’t miss.
13.) 22 Jul 2024 22:27:04
Hopefully the next mid we get in can take a decent penalty.
On a serious note, wish him the best. We've done alright out of it in what is now a difficult market due to PSR.
We're bringing people in and I think we'll look like a very capable squad next year. I'm only looking at the top half for us.
14.) 22 Jul 2024 22:40:24
Tbf when someone looks at an asset, they usually value that by comparing against the other similar assets and how much they have sold for recently.
Property, vehicles, acquisition of businesses, why wouldn’t you do the same with football players?
19 Jul 2024 16:51:14
Just reading that Freidkin will continue to fund our new stadium, wonder if he will come back in.
1.) 19 Jul 2024 17:30:14
Finally a post worth reading.
Yeah that's the interesting thing eh? What lies between the lines. I think a big fat game of billionaires cat and mouse is in the offing. If the financials were that bad then they'd have figured that out in seconds and long been down the road. The pie is waiting to be sliced up. It was always likely to me that too many people are involved to just get a clean buyout. The shares and assets will be owned by different investors and our board room will become a mess just like Arsenal+5 years ago. This was never getting done in few weeks as some had assumed. Think Xmas presents.
2.) 19 Jul 2024 19:27:45
If I can offer a glimmer of hope to us blues, freidkin cancelled deal with roma in July 2020 (I think) and took control of roma in August.
3.) 19 Jul 2024 20:18:28
Where Roma in as much trouble financially as us? Not sure it’s wise to compare.
19 Jul 2024 14:23:12
Well that came as a shock I was just thinking at last we should have the new owners in before the start of the season and then crash it all falls to bits, hope MSP and others are still interested in us it could only happen to Everton I guess,
1.) 19 Jul 2024 14:50:57
Listening to the Sky explanation of what’s happening say Freidkin could come back to the negotiating table amongst other parties who are still interested, Sky saying the same thing happened in the Roma takeover they then came back and completed the deal, hopefully one of the other interested parties comes in.
{Ed002's Note - They would need other investors prepared to take a huge risk.}
2.) 19 Jul 2024 14:59:55
Nothing about this club surprises me anymore GB
Moshiri has so much to answer for
How he’s made his money is beyond me every thing he touches turns to sh#ep.
3.) 19 Jul 2024 15:02:44
I was thinking the same GB, could just be a bargaining position for a better deal. How keen is Mosh to get out? How much of a loss is he willing to take?
4.) 19 Jul 2024 15:20:09
Sky saying Moshiri wanted £50 million for some shares but Freidkin offered £1 pound, also our total debt is around £800 million, we carry on as we are at the mo we have the loans from Friedkin also the Tv money and the money also from the Premiership plus we are ok with the PSR at this time, hope we can a buyer soon eh.
5.) 19 Jul 2024 15:27:41
Really hope we are PSR compliant GB. If we can avoid administration and building last season, we could finish a mid table club. Imagine that?
6.) 19 Jul 2024 15:38:33
Also saying we do not have to sell JB, looks like the Onana sale came at the right time eh.
25 Jul 2024 17:53:08
Good post Smit makes a lot of sense that.
25 Jul 2024 15:30:47
Do we stick or twist we don’t up his pay to £160 grand he goes, good player and I do not want him to go but £160 grand wow.
25 Jul 2024 07:26:38
Think maybe Friedkin is playing Moshiri more like.
24 Jul 2024 21:21:44
Reading there is another offer on the table.
24 Jul 2024 18:46:35
Same as that mate, and I reckon Freidkin will come back as well.
25 Jul 2024 12:24:45
Think he’s doing a good job myself.
23 Jul 2024 10:37:51
Lots saying Freidkin will come back, several others interested as well, hopefully one will buy Everton, on the pitch Sean getting in some good aquisitions really pleased with that so far mate.
22 Jul 2024 20:03:47
Of course it’s banter we all do it chill out Skylark.
22 Jul 2024 18:32:11
Agree Brass and needs must eh.
22 Jul 2024 17:58:14
Reckon he would do well for us, needs game time a good player in there somewhere.