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21 Jun 2026 14:21:53
I had always been a Moyes supporter and was pleased when he came back again "to steady the ship" which I thought he would.
However, he concerned me last season on two accounts, the refusal give any of the youngsters he signed (we are led to believe he has final say on transfers) , a decent run of games, so we still don't know how good they really are.
Also his persisting with OBrien at RB in the latter part of the season when Patterson was fit and could have been played to allow OBrien to move to central defence where he was badly needed.
My initial patience with him has now worn very thin, and worry that he may be given to Christmas to see what happens this season.
21 Jun 2026 13:48:30
He plays a position we need depth in. Knows Moyes. Doubt he'll come and will go elsewhere. Spurs seem to be spending money like it's going out of fashion, so could end up there.
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21 Jun 2026 14:06:31
He would be a big improvement on what we have. I'd sign him, mate.
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21 Jun 2026 14:27:54
Yeah, agree Gents. I am not really too fussed about his age as we need players who can improve us now. His goal/assist record in the PL is brilliant and hasn't shown any signs of slowing down really.
Can see us needing double what we have supposedly offered though.
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21 Jun 2026 14:29:50
Is he for sale? If so, how much? Would West Ham do a swap including Dibling.
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21 Jun 2026 15:12:43
Not sure he is for sale, dms, but every player has a price. He is their captain, talisman and best source of goals, so I expect it will be tough to get him out of there.
I think maybe around the 40m mark would do it, but that is just a guess.
21 Jun 2026 01:04:46
I get the idea of “we need to be like Brighton and Bournemouth because they’ve done well over a sustained period of time and we haven’t”. Cool.
“Aston Villa bought well and we haven’t, we cannot expect to compete with them”. Cool.
Problem is, how did Sunderland get Europe then after coming straight up to the Premier League after basically changing their entire squad? Do they operate on The Flash time, and while it looked like one season to us, to them it was actually 20 seasons?
Sunderland destroy any argument Moyes or people who agree with him make, because they haven’t taken years, they haven’t got amazing world class players.
So how did Sunderland manage it in one, yet we are called unrealistic for wanting a bit better than 13th place after our manager spent a load of money in the summer only to not play most of the players he chose to buy.
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21 Jun 2026 07:47:30
We are stuck in a rut, and Moyes' stability season is over. Now, let's not allow mid-table mediocrity to be our resting place. Make changes where we are standing still. That applies to all aspects of the club. Stadium, being the biggest issue over time, is now sorted.
You'd think the rest is pretty much achievable now.
Sunderland, Forest, Leicester, Swansea, etc. have all done the impossible, and many others. Let's hope the club can make the necessary changes to allow us fans to see some success too.
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21 Jun 2026 08:11:39
The whole thing starts with the manager. If he has a negative mindset, then so will the players. Playing not to lose, then losing just saps all the life out of the team. We then get the manager saying certain players are not doing enough in training so he doesn't pick them. Where's the motivation, where's the man management?
The Spurs game summed it up for me. The game was there to be won but the manager had us sitting deep and the inevitable happened.
Then, with only a few minutes to go, he made changes, and we got players on the pitch who actually wanted to attack, and we looked a different team. The galling thing is these players have spent most of the season on the bench, because the manager doesn't think they work hard enough.
Keep this manager and we will remain a mid table team, and nothing will change.
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{Ed025's Note - im with you AD..
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21 Jun 2026 09:50:59
Anyone could get a team in the top 6 of the prem nowadays. The football is poor, the managers are poor. I reckon I could get Everton in the top 6 in that league and I've only coached at junior level for 14 years. Honestly anyone that has anything about them would be able to fly up that league.
The standard is really really poor. Anyone could do it. This is not a joke. I honestly believe there is some plonkets in that league and if Sunderland, Fulham, Brighton, Forest, Villa can do it anyone can.
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21 Jun 2026 10:41:37
Always been a fan of Moyes, but we seem to be stable again now, perhaps it is time to get a progressive manager and let him spend some money. I do worry that Moyes seems to prefer the older players.
That's what Bournemouth and Brighton are doing, so if we are looking to follow them, perhaps before the season starts is a good time to do it.
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{Ed025's Note - unfortunately that is not going to happen Dev..
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21 Jun 2026 11:01:41
I'm absolutely staggered! We have spent the last 4/5 years worried about relegation, but this season we had no concerns on that! Do fans expect us to be challenging for top honours? I hope not. It's a building process.
Yes, we probably should have done better this season given the position we were in, but I for one am happy to be clear of danger by Christmas and hope we can progress over the next couple of years.
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{Ed025's Note - i get what you are saying Leicester i really do, but if thats the height of our expectations just to survive then it shows how far we have fallen mate..
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21 Jun 2026 11:27:25
I genuinely don't get how "a bit better than 13th" is the same as "we should be challenging for top honours".
20 Jun 2026 21:04:10
I've tried to stay patient with Moyes since he came back, because his first job was simple, keep us up. Fair enough, he did that. But last season was supposed to be about improving us, pushing us on, showing that we weren't just treading water anymore. And what did we get? One point more than the season before. One. If that's "improvement", then the bar is on the floor.
And then he comes out with this comment while in the US for the World Cup about not knowing whether a club like Everton can make "big huge strides", and that we should basically be aiming to match Bournemouth and Brentford. I'm sorry, but that's embarrassing. It's small time and it's the exact opposite of what this club needs, what us fans need.
What makes it worse is the history. This isn't the first time he's talked like this. When he left us the first time, he said he'd taken Everton as far as he could, and that was when we were finishing just around European places. Now he's back, and instead of talking about pushing on, he's lowering expectations even further. It's like he's already decided our ceiling before we've even kicked a ball for the new season.
I'm not asking for miracles. I'm not asking for Europe every year. I'm asking for a manager who actually believes Everton can grow again. Someone who doesn't talk like we should be grateful to be in the same bracket as clubs who were playing Championship football 5 years ago.
Moyes might keep us organised at the back. He might of kept us safe. But comments like this show exactly why he's not the man to take us any further. If he doesn't believe in the club's potential, then what's the point? We've spent years fighting fires. We don't need another manager telling us to accept our place.
For me, it's simple, ambition matters. And right now, he's showing none.
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21 Jun 2026 03:55:32
Great post. Moyes has done his job. Now let's get someone who'll take us to the next level.
UTFT NSNO. 💙 💙 💙
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21 Jun 2026 08:13:46
Absolutely spot on, OS.
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21 Jun 2026 10:23:16
The other point, OS, is that he did not even keep our defence organised when we lost those last seven matches. They represented almost one quarter of all our league games.
20 Jun 2026 20:05:02
What bothers me about Moyse is the seeming lack of willingness to take accountability for last pre-season's transfer mistakes. He wants money now..but he had money back then.and he spent it arguably quite poorly. He does not account for spending so much cash on 2 players he hardly gave an outing to. (and the local press seem scared to ask him) and for buying Barry who has not looked to date anything like what Everton need in a number 9. So one can understand a certain reticence on the part of TFG in giving him a lot to spend because they are not certain he will use it well.
I think Moyse's record shows he is better at bargain basement (Pienarr, Arteta) but when he has had larger amounts to spend has not used it to best effect. Juan Mata Chelsea to Utd comes to mind.
I don't think he can last beyond Christmas if he keeps tempering the supporters' ambitions.and buying average players who will not take us into Europe..while clubs like Bournemouth and Brentford with far less money available seem to know how to spend a little well and take a run at the big guns.
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20 Jun 2026 21:56:03
The answer is quite simple. If he can't be trusted to spend the money wisely (which he can't) , then get rid of him now and bring in someone who can. Waiting till Christmas will mean that a new manager will be stuck with whatever crap he brings in.
TFG have brought this on themselves by giving him too much control, and allowing him to have the final say on who goes and who comes in.
It now seems like he feels that he is untouchable and can come out with whatever s**** he wants, that is disrespectful to the club, the staff, the players and, most of all, the supporters.
20 Jun 2026 18:01:50
Having listened and read Moyes' latest Everton comments, I, as a Moyes supporter, want him to go. Defeatist and running your own Club down are not the words of an Everton manager I want to hear.
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20 Jun 2026 19:20:43
Absolutely dms.
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21 Jun 2026 08:17:16
Well, if I were the owners I would be phoning him up and saying don't bother coming back, you're done. Stick to talking bollocks on the telly, that's your level.
20 Jun 2026 15:21:05
With the greatest of respect for Brentford and Bournemouth. Having a target of competing with those clubs shows just how unsuitable a manager Moyes is for Everton Football Club.
I fully appreciate that competing with Arsenal, City, or United is, at this moment, unrealistic, but that should be the target, and steps to reach that target should be being actively persued.
The lack of ambition in Moyes' public statements is both soul destroying, and hardly likely to attract the type of player we need to start closing that gap.
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20 Jun 2026 16:29:31
Get shot of dithering Dave asap would be a step in the right direction.
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20 Jun 2026 16:54:25
Small steps though, mate, those clubs have been run well over the last few years, and have left us playing catch up. You could include Palace to that list too. They have all bought and played well during the time we have been scrapping at the other end.
We haven't been a top 8 club for close to a decade, so the target should be to catch up to them before looking up again at the so called top 6. You said it yourself, it's unrealistic to target the likes of Arsenal et al just now.
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20 Jun 2026 17:31:41
Well, Aston Villa managed it, and it didn't take them years and years. Sick of this small steps tripe. Get the right manager first, doesn't need to take years and years. Even Sunderland have shown what can be achieved with the right recruiting.
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20 Jun 2026 18:22:55
Some of us are sick of the constant whining too, mate. If you think we are going to be making massive strides with the squad we have, then you're being very naive and totally unrealistic.
The difference is that Villa bought well over a sustained period, we haven't yet. Some of you expect us to be some formidable force, crazy!
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20 Jun 2026 19:10:58
Bluepotato, if you look at Villa when they sacked Gerrard and brought in Emry, they were in a relegation battle. He bought Rogers, Digne, and Martinez in the summer window, and the winter window was McGinn, Cash and Steklenberg on a free, and they made Champions League the following season and have added each season, and last season bought nobody due to psr. They have got a manager who gives his younger players the first team touch, and they are Champions League regulars and also Eufa Cup winners, all in less than 3 years.
So all this about Dinosaur Dave and his reluctance to even give us a glimmer of hope, it seems to me you think that in 3-5 years with this loser at the helm we may possibly get a top 8 finish. I am 70 years of age, have been going since 1963 and thru the glum 80s, but this man has dragged us down constantly even first time around, and at top 6 teams he is like a snail afraid to come out of his shell. Don't quote we beat Man Utd, he has won 2 of something like 82 games against to the top 6, enough said.
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20 Jun 2026 19:24:58
Could not have put it better myself, Alanc. Seems some supporters have been brainwashed into believing some of the tripe this man talks.
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20 Jun 2026 19:30:08
Thanks, BDM. My post was meant to say 70s, not the fantastic 80s from 83-87.
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20 Jun 2026 19:49:14
Al, I don't necessarily disagree with you. Read my first comment, mate. We haven't bought well in comparison to the teams that have been mentioned above so, in my opinion, we can't expect to be pulling up trees with the squad we have and our recent history of scrapping at the bottom of the league with almost the same players.
I'm being realistic, not backing the manager.
If we had decent full backs and decent forwards, it would be a different proposition but, alas, those positions have been filled with inadequate players for too many seasons.
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20 Jun 2026 20:07:50
Bluepotato, I agree with your comments, but surely it must be a kick in the teeth to hear your manager coming out with statements so frequently it makes me think he is preparing for the s to hit the fan and is in the process of covering his a**e.
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20 Jun 2026 20:33:09
Very difficult for us to assess how well we have bought, Bluepotato, since Moyes either does not play them or plays them in a position they are not best suited. Have to agree, though, we can and should do better.
I for one am not expecting miracles. What I do want is for us to play attacking football which is pleasurable to watch and gets us out of our chairs.
Generally speaking, in my long experience, when this happens the positive results follow. It does, however, have its risks, which is why we need a solid defensive foundation which we don't have at present.
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20 Jun 2026 20:46:59
It was actually Gerrard that signed Lucas Digne.
Villa actually haven't bought that well at all, which is why PSR are knocking. Maybe about 5 or 6 decent signings at a push. It is the manager that is the difference maker and the real star of the show for me.
Amadou Onana - £51.46m > Been injured and in and out of the team.
Moussa Diaby - £47.69m > Decent before they flipped him.
Ian Maatsen - £38.58m > Can't get in over Digne.
Pau Torres - £28.61m > Average.
Evann Guessand - £26.01m > Miss & sold to Palace.
Jhon Duran - £25.58m > Good bench option and sold for a profit.
Donyell Malen - £21.68m > Good player but not liked by Emery.
Tammy Abraham - £18.21m > Miss.
Cameron Archer - £14.44m > Flipped to Saints.
Jaden Philogene - £13.87m > Flipped to Ispwich.
Samuel Iling-Junior - £12.14m > Miss.
Alex Moreno - £11.70m > Miss.
Lewis Dobbin - £10.23m > PSR fudge.
Alysson - £8.67m > TBD.
Morgan Rogers - £8.15m > Great buy.
Enzo Barrenechea - £6.94m > TBD.
Loaned out.
Kosta Nedeljkovic - £6.59m > Same as above.
Andres Garcia - £6.07m > TBD.
Yasin Ozcan - £6.07m > Loaned straight out.
Axel Disasi - Loan fee: £5.20m > Miss.
Ross Barkley - £5.12m > Not bad. Not great.
Nicolo Zaniolo - Loan fee: £4.34m > Miss.
Douglas Luiz - Loan fee: £1.73m > Miss.
Joe Gauci - £1.30m > Young keeper loaned out to lower leagues.
Marco Bizot - Undisclosed > Barely played.
Youri Tielemans - Free transfer > Great signing.
Victor Lindelof - Free transfer > Crap.
Marcus Rashford - Loan transfer > Did ok for the loan.
Marco Asensio - Loan transfer > Same as above.
Jadon Sancho - Loan transfer > Miss.
Harvey Elliott - Loan transfer > Weird deal all round.
Clement Lenglet - Loan transfer > Awful.
I would say about 6 of those signings have been decent to very good - Diaby, Duran, Rogers, Tielemans, Rashford & Asensio and then the rest are ok to dreadful, with some yet to be determined.
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20 Jun 2026 20:53:21
Al, I think we are going to have to put up with him until at least Christmas in all honesty. I stopped listening to managers around the time Koeman was there, they all talk out of their arses, mate.
BlueMike, it's not just Moyes that has bought badly, the only consistent thing we have done over the last ten years is get recruitment wrong, we could go back to the summer of 10 number 10s! The only light at the end of the tunnel is that TFG have, allegedly, got the right people in the right positions behind the scenes so we can hopefully see improvement on that score as we move forward.
Time will tell, pal, I think we all want to see a more attacking team this coming season and we will hopefully address it over the summer. I do feel that too many have too high expectations and it is causing them to lose their heads a bit when things don't run smoothly. I've got more patience than most, it seems, but that doesn't mean I'm accepting how things have gone, I just think it's early days in the TFG tenure and that they will protect their investment properly. I don't want to go back to the wasted decade that FM put us through, even if he did get us our nice new home.
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21 Jun 2026 00:39:03
I try to be patient, Bluepotato. It's just very difficult at 86. The only good thing about being older is that I can shoot my age at golf. As far as Everton are concerned, I was 55 when I watched us win the cup at Wembley in 1995.
My son is now about the same age I was then. Am I expected to wait until my grandson is the same age? I think that our patience is exhausted.
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21 Jun 2026 09:09:15
Well, as you are aware, my patience has gone. We play the worst style of football in the league, and I defy anyone to say we don't. Constant whining, really, so give me something to be positive about, anything.
And don't give me the well we weren't involved in a relegation battle nonsense. Guys had a full season, and I'm struggling to see the difference between his and Dyche's team, and apparently we have better players.
{Ed025's Note - yeah very sad Swinners..