Everton Discussion posts

07 May 2024 20:09:03
Forest appeal rejected. Have to ask why we are going ahead, principle?

07 May 2024 22:18:55
When we appealed, 2 points could have made all the difference to survival.

07 May 2024 19:56:18
Anyone got the feeling something nasty is about to happen.

07 May 2024 20:45:25
Can't say I do Skylark. What vibes do you have?

07 May 2024 22:07:32
Bad ones.

07 May 2024 22:30:36
Well that does not tell us much lol.

07 May 2024 18:04:37
Evening all,

I’m just back from a long weekend of hiking in The Lakes and feel like I’ve done a few rounds with Big Dunc. I won’t go into the chaffing as you’ll not eat your dinner.

Anyway, I caught a clip of Stephen Warnock talking about how badly Rafa treated players at the RS even when they’d just won the Champions League.

Old news to us now, but to me shows how much he must’ve upset the players when he came to us.

Now where’s that sudocream.

07 May 2024 11:43:43
See Forest have not had any points returned in their appeal.

07 May 2024 15:10:43
Think that’s fair - seemed to have got off lightly with the original punishment and reading their mitigation it seemed quite a weak argument (player sold after deadline should have counted and original punishment should have partly been suspended) .

We didn’t have any partly suspended punishment with first charge so no precedent for it in their case.

Also knew they were going to breach but still delayed sale of Johnson to get a better price.

I have very little sympathy for them - particularly as didn’t support us when we had the first charge brought against us. As well as their poverty chanting at our match.

One thing this does do though is makes the relegation run in a bit more exciting for Sky.

07 May 2024 15:49:52
They certainly did mate reports says it was because of their exemplary behaviour towards the panel, make me xxxx.

07 May 2024 08:39:00
The stats look good to keep Sean as our manager at the mo with two games left we would have finished 13th in the Premiership and 19 points above the drop zone had we had no points deduction which was no fault of Sean's, especially when we see our Team so full of average players, get some young faces in and who knows we. have one hell of a mystery tour tour this summer with players out and new owners whoever they may be,

07 May 2024 10:34:20
Plus the knock on effect of the deduction before the deduction we were attacking teams then after went defensive I believe we would have been above West ham if we had a clear run at it . Dyche has to stay and build.

07 May 2024 10:35:18
Glad you are finally in regards Sean seeing it for what it really is GB.

07 May 2024 11:42:43
Think it’s more of better the devil you know mate. not Sean’s fault he has xxxx players to pick a Team from, hopefully we can con someone into buying them eh, maybe it’s time to give em away and start afresh with youngsters from lower leagues.

07 May 2024 12:00:17
The stats don't lie. I'm not in his camp. and. never will be but the stats say he's done the brief. And as already insinuated, a slightly less pressured team could be playing slightly more effectively and so it could have been possible to have scored some more points as a consequence but we'll never know. However: it's horrible football and it's frustrating football and his tactics are frustrating andi simply do not. enjoy football anymore even when we win. Can't see the narrative changing too much next season either because we will be weaker after sales and contracts ending. And he who I won't name will stuff us full of lumps as I feared all along from the start and turn us into a really ugly team. If I was a little kid I'd definitely change my allegiances to a more successful and fun team. This is torture and unnecessary.

07 May 2024 13:05:45
Not at all FBS good things on the horizon mate, keep the faith, after all we stayed up with games in hand I might add new owners on the horizon and with most of our present Team gone what's not to like, looking forward to it all myself.

07 May 2024 13:28:17
Depends how you look at stats. As an analyst I could see how we lost out on at least 20-25 points due to SD. Same again next season? No thanks.

07 May 2024 14:55:59
So who is your choice Nick.

07 May 2024 17:01:08
Well I have said all along Potter or Howe would suit me as a British manager. However this season has seen one or two other British managers coming through doing good things on similar type budgets. They are all looking for a step up. Other non British managers have come into teams who were in similar status to us at the start of the season and have taken their teams above us. I'm at a loss with names as whoever takes us over will have their own man highlighted. As long as its not Dyche or Moyes next season I don't care if its Jumping Jack Flash, Rudolph the Red Nose Reindeer, or Rishi Sunak in charge. As long as its positive, attacking, stylish, and committed, it will be better than the dross we have had. The right man will be able to use what we have left and, with some additions, galvanise a squad of players to perform better than we have had. How about a woman manager? I guess see what managers come available at the end of the season GB. Oh and who owns us lol.

07 May 2024 17:49:31
Certainly do not want Moyes.

{Ed025's Note - nor me GB..

07 May 2024 17:53:24
We stayed up because Forest and Luton are crap. We survive season on season because we are fortunate the Championship brings up poor teams.
Our football is one dimensional and bloody awful to watch.
But hey he kept us up so that’s ok. Then again how many managers have kept us up before getting the bullet?
Rinse repeat, rinse repeat.

07 May 2024 19:05:43
So when do you say enough is enough Harlex and stick by someone? Less than 18months of turbulence?

07 May 2024 19:07:07
My mum swore by OMO Harlex. She said it washed the sh*the out for good. Shame we don't use it at Everton ?.

07 May 2024 20:00:07
Just saying all those praising him now will want him out by Christmas. Why? Because his brand of “football” is bloody awful to watch.

07 May 2024 20:30:46
Mocker that's been the problem all along. Fire fire fire. Now I'm not an Allardyce fan, far from it, but I think the guy got us to 8th if I'm right. Surely that would have warranted at least another half season before pulling the trigger. Not football I wanted to see, but I think better than Dycheball we've seen. Whoever comes in, I just hope the new owners will put the safety catch on and give them a chance. If the football improves then hopefully the league position will improve.

07 May 2024 20:34:45
Harlex we are 15th with 2 to go on 37 points. Say we win Sheffield utd that's 40. The magic 40 so we actually got 48 (we ain't beating Arsenal unless they have already lost chance of title) . I'd imagine we will finish where we are. So wtf has that got to do with Luton and Burnley being rubbish? Have you looked at the table or just flapping your lips for the sake of it? Seems like you've cut and paste people's comments from last season where we were truly very lucky to stay up. Being an Everton fan is hard enough without having to read such ill informed tripe.

07 May 2024 21:17:54
Do agree on Allardyce totally Nick wasn't his biggest fan nor wax lyrical about his brand of football a la Dyche (see what I did there Nick?) but at some stage we have to stop the fire fire fire attitude and address the situation at hand, we all know the plight of the club isn't great over next couple of seasons so for me I am willing to trust Dyche to navigate us through it, give the guy a chance, you never know he may surprise us all.

07 May 2024 21:43:23
He won't surprise me but hey ho give it a go. Gone by Jan 25. I'll be glad to see the back of this season and look forward to the euro championships.

05 May 2024 19:57:20
GB,

Out of curiosity pal, you said earlier about Mark Robins ( Coventry City Manager) that you rated him .

Well if someone said to you now that we are save that we get rid of Sean tomorrow and pass the reins over to Robins as of tomorrow all circumstances the same.

Would you take it?

05 May 2024 21:01:56
That’s a tough one mate, before our upturn of our last few games can’t lie I wanted him gone the football was bloody awful but on reflection after what the guy has done for Everton particularly not only beating our neighbours but outplaying them as well plus getting the job done with 3 games to go I think he has earned it to be given a chance to show what he can do, also we would have finished up around 11th but for the points deduction which we would all have been happy with, it can’t be denied the last few games have been brill, we get rid of most of our present Team and he brings in young blood who want to play for Everton I will be more than happy.

05 May 2024 21:42:51
Bin Dyche and bring him in. He's a younger breed of manager with attacking ideas. There's a few shown their colours this season.

05 May 2024 22:35:27
Sorry Nick but that's absolute drivel, do you both realise Robins is 2 years older than Dyche and actually been a manager with limited success for 17 seasons.

Talk about jumping on a bandwagon. Exactly my point from earlier people just pluck names out of air or when in media spotlight IE fa cup run of Coventry's.

05 May 2024 23:25:54
OK my error, but I would still bin Dyche. What's he done to rave about? I certainly don't want to see Dycheball again next season and, I don't care how poor we are, there's better about. We just never spot them. Thank goodness the season ends soon.

06 May 2024 09:50:27
That's fair enough Nick and I appreciate you don't like Dyche nor his way of playing, we would all like to see nice fast flowing attacking football with a crop of exciting youngsters but the reality is we ain't a attractive proposition nor do we have the funds or even a board to make these decisions on the vision moving forward.

Stability, Patience and a reality check is very much needed imo, to say you would just ditch Dyche now and believe we can attract any noteworthy manager is madness in my opinion.

But I respect your view and opinion pal and In parts get the frustration.

06 May 2024 10:20:31
Sorry Mocker but your talking absolute drivel mate, so what if a guy is older than Sean does not matter one iota, names are not plucked out of thin air either this is a game of opinions and all on here are entitled to it long may it continue.

06 May 2024 10:38:01
Yes it does matter GB when people's opinions are ill informed as they state Robins is of a younger generation of manager, without realising the guy as been managering 17 year without any noteworthy success nor premiership experience and just because his Coventry team have been in public eye this season they want to throw his name in to take us forward, total contradictions and baffling at times in my opinion.

06 May 2024 12:42:37
As you say mate it’s a game of opinions some comments on here I find totally baffling and contradictory at times, funny old game eh.

06 May 2024 14:20:29
Hey guys I'm not offended by replies. We are all Evertonians and blue blooded. We feel happiness together and feel pain together. Despite who we might prefer as manager, it's ironic that of the last 7 managers since Martinez, two were employed due to successes shown at their clubs Koeman and Silva) , all the rest were currently unemployed. Apart from Allardyce and Ancellotti who got us above 10th, the last three just about escaped relegation. So wouldn't it be nice if at the end of the season, Everton approach a manager currently unemployed due to his performance over the last season or two and, not just because he's unemployed and free. The only difference to that is I would like Potter myself but that's my view alone.

06 May 2024 14:35:41
Sorry that should read currently employed.

06 May 2024 15:02:37
Potters success came in a relatively minor League same as some others have done.

06 May 2024 15:20:27
It's evident tho Nick the reasons for why have employed managers that are free, the finances dictate this.

All this talk of who we would like as a manager is great, but of more importance is establishing ownership and clarity of the club from there hopefully the new owners will have a clear vision of a identity and style as a club moving forward, if they feel Dyche isn't the way forward (& I too am unsure albeit I think he deserves at least a minimum of a season once things hopefully settle to work without the off field shenanigans to make a fair judgment) .

I don't see Dyche going before the start of next season but I do agree if he was then needs to be done sooner the better allowing any incoming manager the time.

I honestly don't see Potter getting us any further down the line short term and firmly believe within 12months we would need a Dyche in, also extremely unlikely Potter interested in us as leading favourite for Utd and Ajax jobs and if as expected De Zerbi leaves Brighton then good chance he will return there, I mean where would you go the best ran club in premiership or the shambles we are.

It is opinions yes and nothing personal nor taken I just believe they is bigger and more concerning issues for the club clearly than a manager that has done his remit under immense circumstances and with no backing and imo in parts this season had us actually playing decent stuff whilst maintaining a solidness, he needs the funds and backing to try implement the balance that obviously he is aware of and I am happy for him to be our manager going into next season as I don't see or hear any realistic solutions to what is going to be very much the same and probably worse circumstances.

06 May 2024 15:22:15
Would you not take into account what he created at Brighton DFS? Fergies success came in a Scottish league we consider as league two in England. He did ok.

06 May 2024 16:38:17
If Moyes still has his contacts in the transfer market, I’d be tempted to take a punt on him… not convinced Therwell can do the business for us. Not with Young, Beto, Danjuma and Chermiti as the proof of what he can do.

06 May 2024 16:54:29
Cant argue with either of Potters and Ferguson successes however the both inherited teams in a much better state that EFC is at the moment and had some good youngsters coming through to the 1st team. We will be lucky if we have a 1st team next season the way things are going according to the media. I'd stick with SD as he has proven that he can manage a team under very difficult circumstances. There are not many managers that have the track record he has with poorly financed clubs.

07 May 2024 14:32:37
I don't think it is at all likely but if were are tearing up the script and going for a young and progressive manager with modern ideas, I would look no further than the reliable and combative CM, Thiago Motta.

Great pedigree having played at Barcelona, Inter under Jose and PSG. He has won a couple of Champions Leagues, multiple league titles in different leagues and team of the season awards in La Liga and Ligue 1,

He then went into management at Genoa, taking over them when they were dead last and couldn't change their fortune.

Moved on and managed Spezia in Serie A, a team under a transfer ban and picked for relegation. After a difficult start, got things going and won manager of the month.

Moved onto Bologna, who whilst they aren't one of the main forces in Italy, have some better players to choose from than the previous e. g. Orsolini, Zirkzee, De Silvestri, Freuler, Ndoye, Saelemaekers and Ferguson. This enabled Motta to implement his style of play and has only seen them go from strength to strength.

He has now managed 73 games, W 34, D 23 and L 16. Goals F 102, Goals A 69, good +33. Not bad numbers at all.

He has since won manager of the month 4 times at one of the 'Italian minnows' and has a really interesting style of football, which is incredibly attacking but equally as aggressive and defensive when his teams do not have the ball.

I imagine he will be going to a top top club soon but if he is available, we should be going all out for him.

07 May 2024 17:56:01
I would just like to see us play football. Doesn’t have to be fast and flowing, just be nice to see players pass to each other and move out their own half occasionally.

05 May 2024 19:53:14
While the ongoing saga of 777 is naturally attracting the attention of many fans, I cannot help but worry about what our team might look like next season if our better players are going to be picked off in the transfer market. We so need some really clever (though cheap) recruitment and with few exceptions our purchases have been so foolish for many a year. Though this season seems to point to the promoted teams struggling to make an impact, I don't sense that will be the way with Leicester and Ipswich. My worry is that while playing a certain way to ensure survival has worked, we cannot keep spinning the dice and expecting us to always beat the drop. I suppose I don't really trust Dyche's team selections and tactics. to keep playing Young was beyond me. and direct football will work occasionally but not get you up the league to where we want to be (even allowing for the 8 points we lost on deduction) . I admire Dyche for his determination and his reasonably calm demeanour, but even if we had a swag bag of money which we don't. would you trust him to bring in a player that is going to excite the fans and move us to another level? Hope I am proved wrong! Also how many of our academy players are really given the sense that they might get a run of games in the first team? Our midfield is still way short of top level. if we are scouring bargain basement, let's hope we can pull in someone who sees the pass which makes a difference.

06 May 2024 11:12:11
Dyche had nothing but praise for Dobbin, and then picked Harrison ahead of him?

05 May 2024 18:14:59
I had a plan of winning the euro millions last week when it was a £140m then do a 4 team accumulator of odds of about 8-1 then I would've had a billion to buy the club but I think the premier league got wind of my plan and stopped me winning the lottery as I can't think of any other reason why I didn't win.

05 May 2024 21:44:45
Masters again hey Monkey.

05 May 2024 12:17:40
Hey Mocker reading your post below on Sean difficult to know what's best, he did what was asked of him and kept us up bar the last few games it was awful football but it was never going to pretty stuff and needs must, he did it with 3 games left so he did well, as to keeping him not sure can argue both ways on that one, for me the guy from Coventry looks good but our Team will be unrecognisable next season from our present one so who knows just hope new owners can be brought in that have our Clubs interest at heart mate.

05 May 2024 12:42:58
I think it would be a mistake to let SD go. Ok so he hasn’t set the world light with the football he plays and we’ve had an up and down season with some dreadful results, but we’ve made progress and would be pushing for a top half finish if it wasn’t for points deduction. At the start of the season we would have taken that.

There’s also the chance that a number of players will leave only making us weaker, with no money to replace them. SD has the advantage of knowing the squad and knowing who he can rely on. We could get more points deducted and may well go into administration.

A new manger would need time and with the players we’ve got or will have left we don’t have time we need results straight away.

Sorry to be gloomy on a bank holiday Sunday….

05 May 2024 13:21:21
GB, I just think a lot of realism is needed, Sean has guided us through a difficult period for our club and more than likely with more dramas to follow in the coming weeks and months, The club needs stability moreso now than ever, it's what a lot asked for on here at the beginning of the season and we all felt a mid table/ final third finish was acceptable in the circumstances, Sean has achieved this barring the points deduction.

People are just plucking names out the air, Potter, Robbins etc, none of which are linked to us nor majority fit the squad style we have, does anyone seriously think they would come without a very tempting contract or a decent transfer budget to work with!

As for the style of play, yes for period of time it was very unpleasant on the eye to say the least, but everyone seems to want to bash Sean without praising the fact we have the 2nd most clean sheets in the league, a top 8 XG and picked up more points barring Arsenal and City since March.

All for a reset as a club but all about the timing if we had gone down or the finances have forced us then yes, but we ain't having no rest nor buying any of these so called linked players until the club is on a stable foot off the field, that's very much the reality of our situation and to believe or want Someone else to come in after Sean has guided hopefully onto calmer waters in unfair, SEAN for me deserves a chance to establish himself at our club, he isn't even 18 month into what probably has been the hardest and most difficult time to manage for any premiership club.

Other posters state that the players got us out of the relegation scrap but flip it by saying it's all the managers fault. a lot just don't like Sean and seem reluctant to praise when deserved but happy jump on him when feel the need. Just my opinion pal but majority of the fans I know feel for Sean and truly understand the situation, all we ask for is effort and HE has had that from his player's of late.

05 May 2024 14:17:29
Yep mate he does but if we do change any new manager would get my support.

05 May 2024 15:31:51
Of course GB that's what us supporters do, support!

Dyche ain't going anywhere soon pal.

06 May 2024 11:15:28
Are we assessing him on the last three or four games. Or the run from Christmas were we didn't win a game?

05 May 2024 12:01:34
Latest news Kevin Malone being reported as interested in Everton, was with the Dodgers apparently.

06 May 2024 11:16:14
Wonder if Molly will get involved?

05 May 2024 08:36:10
Would anybody fancy a gamble on Brereton Diaz?

05 May 2024 09:54:43
Think we should stop gambling on players don’t you.

05 May 2024 11:03:17
Would rather have Sammy smozzicks from Blackburn watched him a few times this season and again yesterday 2 goals away at leister some player what we are missing.

05 May 2024 11:55:53
I would, I think he’s a good player. Bright, sharp, has looked dangerous this season.

05 May 2024 12:02:57
The couple up front for Luton looked half useful as well.

05 May 2024 13:34:46
Adebayo has caused a lot of problems for teams this season.

05 May 2024 13:54:50
Not for me lads. He is approaching 29 and Rovers will look for a fee close to what Palace paid for young Wharton, which is not only out of the question for us but he would be hugely over-priced.

This season is a flash in the pan season. My mate is a lifelong Rovers fan and he said they would be having our pants down for the rumoured price.

I have watched some of the goals he has scored this season and not a chance he gets or scores the same chances in the PL.

At 5ft 6 in a tougher, faster and more physical league, with much more savvy goalkeepers and defenders, I think it would be a waste of the little to no money that we have.

05 May 2024 13:55:44
As GB said, much rather take Morris or Adebayo from Luton all day.

05 May 2024 13:35:52
I thought we should have gone in for him last time and pushed harder. I still think the same now, having seen how well he’s done with his goals recently.