Everton Banter

29 Apr 2024 08:26:25
Any truth in the report this morning I've read that 777 have been given a deadline of the end April by Everton.

Apparently a new bidder is ready and waiting! I'm assuming now we are safe things can start to move one way or another.

29 Apr 2024 10:04:32
Also our street cred has risen, no going down so must be worth more.

29 Apr 2024 11:45:44
Secure spot in the Prem for next year, state of the art stadium on the horizon, some of the best training facilities in the country. Yes, we need to continue to address the wage bill and reset our approach to spending over the next couple of years, but you’d still think that this is an attractive proposition for investors.

29 Apr 2024 12:34:32
Not sure we are worth more, if someone else comes in they need to pay an extra £200m to clear the debt to 777 I suspect🤦🏻‍♂️.

29 Apr 2024 13:08:58
Not sure clearing the debt to 777 is the highest priority - numerous reports suggest they are way down the list of creditors.

29 Apr 2024 15:25:22
We’d have lost a lot more than 200 million languishing in the Championship for however long it would take us to get back up.

{Ed002's Note - The critical date will be mid-May when the MSP debt needs to be repaid.}

29 Apr 2024 15:50:00
A new bidder waiting. Will they be any better than 777? Do we know who they could be?

29 Apr 2024 18:41:58
Well it’s a good opportunity for someone to come in and do a bit of asset stripping to make a tidy profit.

29 Apr 2024 03:56:56
Looks like the possible sale of Braithwaite is the most likely way of balancing the books.
ManUtd are sniffing around so what would be the sensible price?
I have a horrible feeling that we will see Maguire in Royal Blue next season as part of a player plus cash deal.

29 Apr 2024 08:13:57
I don't see Maguire taking a big enough pay cut to sign for us and I wouldn't want him anyway

Branthwaite - I wouldn't take less than 75m and would hope an auction takes it higher.

29 Apr 2024 08:15:12
Whatever they very rarely pay the full amount up front anyway, so would hope the club try to keep him. Onana would be my first preference to sell, lads hardly played anyway.

29 Apr 2024 09:02:24
I can also confirm utd have been making enquiries for branthwaite, hopefully don't end up with any of utds deadwood and don't end up getting are trolleys pulled down on price.

29 Apr 2024 10:10:35
The club have the 4th best goals against in the Premiership this season. Credit to Pickford, Tarkowski, Branthwaite and a mix of fullbacks. I feel it’s best to continue that into next season if possible. I know finances will take priority but the club should try and hang on to Branthwaite for as long as possible, but if he has to go then demand maximum money they can get. Any replacement for him will probably less quality.

It looks like a new RB may be required as Patterson doesn’t seem to fit the managers needs

Any money they have to spend on players needs to go in midfield and attack. Onana has offered nothing in my eyes and Doucoure is questionable as some of his efforts on goal this season have been shocking to say the least.

Wonder if they can find a new Kendall, Ball and Harvey trio types of player somewhere that would solve a lot of issues.

I sit on the fence regarding Dyche continuing to move the club forward and new owners may have their own ideas as to who they want. Some posters have offered suggestions like Led Carsley, who would be a good shout. Although lacking club management experience he will have a good knowledge of all good young players coming up.

Would anyone consider Moyes coming in to replace Thelwall, as Thelwall has questions about his recruitment so far.

29 Apr 2024 11:39:59
It’s not all Dyche fault he’s inherited most of that team, plus the points deduction on top and mismanagement of the club from above him.

29 Apr 2024 13:21:21
If we take anything less than £75 million for Jared, to me it just shows that we are still operating in the same old way and nothing has changed.

All this talk of us having to accept a lesser offer because of our predicament is bull. It doesn't and shouldn't change the value of the player that is on the market. If a team wants him, then they should pay what we value him at, especially a team as diabolical as United, who clearly NEED a lad of his talent and scope. The lad is 21 years of age and is already one of the best CB's in the toughest league in the world. It is unlikely that he plays at the Euro's because Southgate is a melt but if he does, his value will only increase or knowing our luck he will get injured and be out for a season haha!

Before anyone comes back with an argument that we are dreaming to ask for such an amount for Jared. Wesley Fofana was sold by Leicester to Chelsea for £75 million in 2022. Fofana had played 20 games in the French league with St Etienne and then 1 full-is season in the PL with Leicester. He broke his leg after that and played a handful of games for them before playing for Chelsea and getting a season-long injury again, having scored 1 goal in his 40+ Prem appearances. He has won the FA Cup with Leicester.

In comparison Jared has gained experience in 4 different leagues already, some in the physically demanding lower leagues of English football. He is 6ft 5 and left-footed, which already makes him a rare commodity in the game. He has scored 4 PL goals in 40+ appearances, won the Dutch Cup with PSV and the European Cup with England U21's.

It is evident which of the two is better PL defender based on the eye-test alone. In todays market with the likes of Caceido, Fernandez, Fofana, Antony, Gvardiol, Maguire, Nunez, Sancho, Cucurella and many more going for stupid fees. 75 m for big Jazza is a steal. That is the absolute minimum that we should take but I would be asking for a lot more to test the mettle of the sides who claim to want him.

29 Apr 2024 13:47:46
Braithwaite needs to stay at everton if he goes to say man utd with an 80 million price tag their toxic fans will ruin his career same as sancho there's no better place for Jared.

29 Apr 2024 16:24:01
For the record Branthwaite is two footed and so is comfortable playing right or left.

29 Apr 2024 18:44:49
Oh and we also have to pay his old club Carlisle a percentage fee for any sell on.

28 Apr 2024 17:15:53
Not a fan of Dyche, but, think we all owe him a debt of thanks, he has, under the most extreme difficulties, saved our club from
disaster.
Is he the man to take us forward,? I don't know, but if he wants to, and is able to do so, without his hands being tired behind his back in a financial seance, then I think he has earned the chance.

28 Apr 2024 18:09:18
Spot on intheblue. Echoed those sentiments myself. 👍.

28 Apr 2024 18:17:41
Add to that intheblue. Majority on here asked for stability at the beginning of the season, now they want to rock the boat further after the guy has done his remit. Not pretty no, effective yes.

2nd most clean sheets in league, decent top4-10 XG all season and fought off the PTS deductions we would have been challenging 12th-10th finish.

Next season could potentially be worse for charges and squad strength yet people think we are going to be a attractive proposition for any up and coming manager or player, throw them in deep end hey.

Think patience and reality check very much needed at times, we are far out of the woods as a club, stability was asked for, stability is needed imo.

28 Apr 2024 18:41:06
The fact that we are safe in April having had 8 points deducted is quite something and they way the team have responded since Chelsea is very pleasing indeed - SD clearly had the players behind him.

The problem is that it’s not great to watch and when we’re bad we’re awful and the team are clearly a form team, some dreadful runs followed by some exceptional ones.

We will probably be much weaker next year if Branthwaite and Onana go and there’s no guarantee of any money to replace them.

It’s tough being an Evertonian, but it’s great!

28 Apr 2024 18:49:13
We would be insane to let dyche go nobody else would get that current team playing and winning our last 3 young upcoming managers are why we are where we are . imagine lampard silva or kooman still here we would be well gone by now Tracky Dyche is the man.

28 Apr 2024 19:01:55
I absolutely appreciate what he has done. Of course until our financial state is stablised we are not attractive. Stadium is key. Get that and takeover sorted, then we can (if still muted) address do we need a Dyche to lead us forward.

28 Apr 2024 19:10:45
You know three games ago everyone was for binning Dyche, how times change 😂.

28 Apr 2024 20:38:45
I still am 😁.

28 Apr 2024 20:42:02
He implied recently that the job he was sold hasn’t really been the same as what has happened. I read into that the transfer choices and all the finances malarkey that has resulted in point deductions. He’s done well with what he has and it could get a lot worse than better in the next 12 months. His style of football is not our future but until we can afford to get in better, we are stuck with Dycheball for at least another season. Let’s hope he can get us finishing higher than 15th.

29 Apr 2024 08:21:17
So he’s saying he wouldn’t have signed that massive contract and taken the job on if he’d known different. Yea because clubs were queuing up for him weren’t they.

29 Apr 2024 08:43:00
I think he's saying exactly what the majority of managers that went before him have also alluded to. That the job description was different to the actual reality of the situation.
Now that safety is assured, let's hope the club is sold very soon so we don't have to put up with FM too much longer. I'm hoping 777 get sacked off and other interested parties can come to the table. Not too much to ask!

29 Apr 2024 09:23:28
On reflection emotion (plus major surgery) played a huge part in criticism of players and Sean Dyche. I don't think any of us fully understand the pressures the staff have been and continue to be under. Certainly we don't fully understand the financial pressures and mess caused by those supposedly having the best interests of the Club at heart. So I apologise for some of my rants and do actually think Sean Dyche deserves to stay, still a huge huge job to do in prep for next season with a massive exodus of players envisaged, we are having to trust in our youth.

28 Apr 2024 17:07:53
Don't even have to cheer on Man City today, happy days.

28 Apr 2024 15:41:13
Two questions, if moyes leaves west ham would anyone take him as a dyche replacement?

And Ross Barkley, should he be brought back? He's done fantastic at Luton and surely will be available once their relegation is confirmed

Id personally say no to Moyes and yes to Barkley. I think dyche should get another season, the football is turgid don't get me wrong but if you add on the deducted points it's actually a really good season considering how some of the players just aren't premier league standard and the squad was painfully thin. Would be harsh to sack him now.

28 Apr 2024 15:56:19
Big NO to both of those.

{Ed025's Note - im with you GB, im thinking for the good of Ross himself for not wanting him back mate..

28 Apr 2024 16:09:05
No to Moyes. We will never move forward when we getting stop gap bosses.

28 Apr 2024 16:17:09
No to both, and no to no hopers, hoofers, or relegation special-ists. Yes to winners or young fresh managers ready to step up.

28 Apr 2024 17:01:00
Well said Nick it’s the only way forward to get out of this continuing tripe we have to watch.

28 Apr 2024 17:08:43
Too much baggage Ed mate.

{Ed025's Note - yes mate, in this city anyway..

28 Apr 2024 17:39:55
I may be in the minority here but why change manager now! He's done a solid job with in many ways our worst squad in years, we are defensively solid but far from a creative side, and points deductions aside basically mid table.

Only thing that worries me is our recruitment it's flakey at best, and sure there's a reluctance to play youngsters but we where never safe enough in reality.

28 Apr 2024 20:10:19
No for me to both. I'd stick with Dyche. I think what's he's done has been under appreciated. With those 8 points deducted, all the crap going on behind the scenes with ownership. I think he's done a brilliant job, OK not pretty but he's working miracles with the tools he's got. I don't think many people would believe we would be safe with 3 games to go. We would have been 13th in the table if we hadn't been deducted. So for me, hats off to Dyche and his team, the players and fans! Job done, it'll be a boring end of season for us, thank God 😁.

28 Apr 2024 11:55:03
Darren Lewis on super Sunday matchday saying we need to tie SD down to a long term contract, apparently bigger clubs will be sniffing around him lol.

28 Apr 2024 12:29:51
Don't think so, Darren Lewis has made a living by reading or copying what other people say or do.

28 Apr 2024 14:22:32
True but don't recall anyone ever suggesting SD is good enough for a bigger club, guy talks absolute do do.

28 Apr 2024 16:17:43
Was he drunk?

28 Apr 2024 16:29:06
So De Zebri is being touted for all the big jobs - yet Dyche who without the points deduction would be on the same points as De Zebri isn’t - such a fickle game.

Dyche has also won one more game than De zebri.

Think majority would also say Brighton have a better squad than us.

Not suggesting Dyche should get a top job - just highlighting that he may not be getting the credit he deserves.

28 Apr 2024 16:54:26
De Zerbi took Brighton very close the CL qualification and then finally Europa. They have had a classic 1st season in Europe cup syndrome. Their league form has suffered. But they still have a good chance of a top10 and now a season of experience. I just can't see the comparison. Bonkers opinion.

28 Apr 2024 20:09:23
Glad you think my opinion is bonkers

You do realise that Dyche managed to get a terrible Burnley team into Europe by finishing 7th in the premier league as well as getting a 10th placed finish the following season.

Genuinely believe all the upheaval at the club has prevented us seeing what he and the team could have realistically achieved this season.

Think with everything that’s gone on with the club he’s done a decent job to keep us up.

As bad as some of the performances have been I’d rather have those performances and stay up than try and play expansive attacking football like Luton have and go down.

{Ed025's Note - thats a fair point Dan, even though im not a big fan of SD mate..

28 Apr 2024 23:50:53
Or play attacking expansive football and win the league🤷‍♂️.

28 Apr 2024 10:54:02
I woke up this morning to rumours that Everton FC are safe for another season.

We are staying up! We are staying up!

May will be a fantastic month, all we need is sunshine.

Thanks to all the posters and EDs for the banter all season and enjoy your weekend.

28 Apr 2024 10:07:56
Great effort and commitment from the whole team yesterday in getting a 3rd win in 6 days. Size of our squad does not allow for rotation.
Wouldn't surprise me if on appeal we now get our 2 points back for this season and these are deferred to next season, where we start on -2 points.
Might be wise to pull the appeal.

28 Apr 2024 10:52:42
What?

28 Apr 2024 11:46:14
Ed002's note to dycheflysouth -------------You clearly don't understand the situation at all - keep your ignorant comments to yourself---------

28 Apr 2024 12:21:27
Maybe I didn't explain myself properly so sorry if it's come across like that.
My concern is the appeal against the 2 point penalty, I assume could go a number of ways. No change, keep the 2 point penalty this year. Reduced to 1 or maybe 0 points deduction. Or, I guess, and I don't really know this, it could be increased. I did read somewhere we had asked for the 2 points to be deferred until next year. My suggestion was just to pull the appeal and just accept the 2 points.

28 Apr 2024 13:02:24
Fair point tbt. But if we stay true to form we will probably start with a minus next season. 😂.

28 Apr 2024 13:43:15
Good question.
No idea why DFS thinks you should keep your comments to yourself on a banter page.

28 Apr 2024 14:03:32
That comment of keep to yourself was not written by me.

{Ed002's Note - No it was written by me.}

28 Apr 2024 14:04:06
Me neither Bunnyman mate.

28 Apr 2024 18:08:17
More twaddle from DFS again.

28 Apr 2024 19:04:18
GB read above GB.

28 Apr 2024 07:46:24
4 wins in our last 5 games, all with a clean sheet. Like Dyche or not that's an excellent return and at a vital time. Personally I will always be very grateful to Dyche gor keeping us up following 8 points deducted.
Already thinking about transfers and next season. Onvs money is tight and unfortunately we look like selling couple big guns.

Out
Branthwaite (great shame)
Onana (meh)
Young
Keane
Gomes
Beto (not good enough)
Harrison
Danjuma

Delle on a play - pay deal?

In
Webster - Brighton
Berge - Burnley
Hamer- Sheff Utd
Barkley- Luton
Archer - Villa
Nielson- Arsenal
Smith-rowe - Arsenal (loan)
Nketiah - Arsenal (loan)

I don't watch the championship or international leagues so have no idea ha ha, hopefully our scouts do.
Hopefully a couple of youth come good.

28 Apr 2024 11:51:45
Think were committed to buying Beto BB, around 25m I think. Guys a grafter but 25m? not for me. That lad at Boro Latte Lath looks a decent player, think we could have got him for less.
Think we just need to move on from Deli mate, lads already cost us a lot of money with no return.
As for the rest, well think it's going to open an interesting debate.

28 Apr 2024 12:38:58
Berge and Hamer would be good signings Bunk. Don't fancy Webster or Barkley. Sheff actually signed Archer for just shy of 20m so too pricey for us.

Nelson wouldn't come and doubt we would get the other lads on loan tbh.

We are obviously skint so need to think outside the box in the market.

RB - Sugaware - AZ Alk - watched him v Hammers and lad has energy, good tackler and loves putting a ball in. Not sure what he would cost. Gendrey from Leece would be a cheaper alternative.

CB - Buongiorno - Torino - ship has probably sailed on him now but is one of the best young CB's in the world imo. Lad has everything you want in a CB.

RW - Bernabé - Parma - lad used to be at City and Barcelona so has decent pedigree. Reminds me of Gerard but more tenacious and better end product. Only 22 so perfect age for us.

CM - You are spot on with Hamer. Wouldn't be against Sheaf at Cov or even the Japanese fella at Celtic, Hatate.

ST

- Dia - Salernitana. Perhaps Beto may fancy going back to Italy, a league where he did well in.
- Morris at Luton would be cheapish. He is a grafter and puts himself about and can finish.
- Akor Adams - Montpellier.

{Ed025's Note - good knowledge there BN, kudos mate..

28 Apr 2024 13:10:31
As said before Barkley undoubtedly is talented but a huge mistake for the lad to show up here.

{Ed025's Note - im with you on that one DFS..

28 Apr 2024 15:45:05
Nice posts lads, never heard of most of them to be honest blue nose so can't comment but would love us to sign :

Ronnie Edwards from Peterborough
Jacob Greaves from hull
Ben Johnson free from west ham
Ndidi free from Leicester,
The 19 year old wigan centre back Hughes I think his name is
Gnoto from Leeds
And Barkley

And move on Calvert Lewis branthwaite onana for funds.

28 Apr 2024 16:15:37
Walker-Peters would be a good signing as rb. Can play on left with ease too. he's better than championship football. Jota who was at Celtic would be another decent signing. We need flair and pace on wings.

28 Apr 2024 17:12:31
Need to get ourselves out of this financial mess and yet the media and others are pushing the incoming transfers agenda. The mind boggles. We need to find a huge amount by May ish to solve the next debt tranche.

28 Apr 2024 06:59:16
My 5 wins I predicted just before the Chelsea game is looking promising.

28 Apr 2024 04:23:37
So, safe with 3 matches left. What were we worried about?

First of all, a big thank you to Sean Dyche and the team for making us safe in, what has not been a stellar season for us. Add on the points though, that were taken from us, and we'd be mid tablish

Dyche has his faults. He doesn't seem (to me) to make substitutions as quick or as effectively as most of us would like. He has not brought any youth through with the exception of the excellent Branthwaite but he even seemed reluctant at first to bring him into the first team

People say he is negative in his team set up and tactics. Defensively minded and "hoof ball". I'd agree but would say what is he supposed to do with the squad he's been given?

We are a team lacking in pace. Go through the team and who's got real pace? I'd argue that only Godfrey has it and even he isn't the same player as he was before his injuries. Coleman, Gomes, McNeil, Gueye, Young, Beto frankly don't have it

We're still not buying well. Beto and Chermiti? Did they really justify their fees/ wages? Were they really better than keeping Simms and/ or Cannon and spending the money on other positions. The same could be said of Danjuma and Harrison on loan. We've still not solved our problems at right back (possibly even both flanks as neither side offers much offensively) . I wish him (Deli) well but why did we buy Deli with his wages? Onana - we might actually make some money if we sell him but he's not been a success in my opinion - a poor mans Pogba with all the hype

One answer as to why we bought Deli possibly could be the lack of creativity in midfield. There is no one with good figures on assists or build up play. I think we must be the worst in the division

With all of the above Dyche had to, in my opinion, be pragmatic. He made us difficult to score against, The fact we are second to Arsenal in clean sheets is a testament to that and to the excellence on Pickford, Tarkovsky and Branthwaite in particular. The lack of pace in midfield forced him play 2 DM's in the majority of games. The lack of creativity meant we had to rely on set pieces, 2nd balls. The football hasn't been attractive but it's been very effective and we're staying up

Next season people are calling for a new manager with an attacking philosophy, bringing in new, younger, players. All very good but all very dangerous if not done right

Whatever we do I hope we recognise the job Dyche has done for us under very difficult conditions.

28 Apr 2024 07:05:17
I think the answers to some of your questions could be" thelwell"

28 Apr 2024 08:31:56
You might we'll be right Skylark.

Bad signings and lack of youth coming through point more to Director of Football weaknesses.

28 Apr 2024 08:44:44
Excellent post BW. 👍.

28 Apr 2024 09:37:26
Disagree Thelwell is a big reason behind the push to level up the Club. The incompetence at the Club has been headed by Moshri/ A. N. Other and 'trusted' advisors (who now that the Inn of plenty has dried up, have cut and run) . Add to that the determination of Richard Masters to ward off the incoming Independent Regulator by the attempted destruction of a historic founding Member of the very League he leads. In my view Dyche has done a fantastic job. I believe Masters has dug a hole so deep that it has now awoken some very powerful people.

28 Apr 2024 09:57:54
BW, the only point about Godfrey I would add is look where he is playing (and still doing a good job) . The lad is primarily left sided. With the whole Squad fit and well he would be in his natural position. Young in my view has played better the last couple of games because he has green in his natural left side position.

28 Apr 2024 13:05:38
Think if we do sell Branthwaite then Godfrey might find himself back in the middle.

28 Apr 2024 13:15:15
The only thing I said about Godfrey is that he hasn't shown the same pace as regularly as he did before his fairly serious injury and the bout of C.V. he had.

Personally I'm surprised Garner hasn't been played at right back more this season because he looked good there last season and even got into the England squad in that position. I can only put it down to Dyche not being happy with Gueye and Onana as the 2 DM's.

28 Apr 2024 13:23:22
It is strange about Garner. As for Gueye in particular, confidence is a wonderful thing, looks like the original.