30 Aug 2015 21:23:17
What has Martinez brought to the team, Alcatraz, cleverly, kone, eg, what did Moyes bring to the team, arteta, pienaar, fellani, jags, lescott, coleman, eg big signings at good prices.Martinez hasn't got the know, he is blinkered by the phermonal(spelling is crap) players he has got
{Ed025's Note - i will have people having different opinions dazza, but that is just having a go for the sake of it!...moyes was hardly the second coming mate let me tell you..
30 Aug 2015 23:59:24
I notice you conveniently left out McCarthy, Lukaku, Deulofeu and Barry (who was excellent in his first season). How sad some people's attempts at criticism for the sake of it!!
31 Aug 2015 00:08:46
What a terrible post. what did moyes bring in, koldrup, van der meyde, McFadden etc. Martinez has bought in Lukaku, Mccarthy, Galloway. Actually annoyed at myself for replying to your ridiculousy stupid post.
31 Aug 2015 00:42:08
Martinez - Lukaku, McCarthy and he played Ross Barkley
Moyes - Koldrup, didn't sign Dier permanently and let Mustafi go, so swings and roundabouts
31 Aug 2015 05:43:57
This post is ridiculous, let's talk about Moyes then and what else he brought in. Rodrigo, Li Tie, Kroldrup, Senderos, Neil, Van Der Meyde, McFadden, Kilbane, Simon Davies, Jacobsen, Nash, Gueye, Bilyaletdinov, Drenthe, Hahneman, Vellios and many others that weren't amazing. Yes he made some good signings but hasn't Martinez too? Lukaku, Deulofeu, McCarthy, Besic, Galloway. Plus he's the one that gave Barkley his proper chance instead of just loaning him out all the time, So why you're moaning about 3 players, 1 who isn't even with us anymore is just confusing, plus Cleverley & Kone have been 2 of our best players this season! Moyes signed those good players over a number of years! Every manager makes mistakes in the market but you can't say he brings nothing to the club because a few signings haven't worked.
31 Aug 2015 06:46:55
That just seems pointless mate. You name 3 Martinez players, 2 of which have been boss this season, the other which was free and has now gone. What about Deulofeu for 2m? Barry for free? Lukaku? McCarthy? Besic?. Moyes brought in but never played Oviedo or Stones. Never played Barkley, never used Naismith properly. He also signed, Kroldrup, Yakubu, Jelavic, Yobo, Howard, Bilyaletdinov, Johnson, beattie, Davies, Mucha, Pistone and Jo. That is a basless argument. Like saying Van Gaal has done better than Ferguson because Van Gaal signed Herrera but Ferguson only signed Bebe, Zaha and Forlan. Just ignore all the facts just to have a go. Come on mate.
31 Aug 2015 07:52:12
Made yourself look a bit of a muppet there haven't you Dazza!! I suggest you have a serious think about what you're saying before posting again to avoid being shot down in flames like you have been!!!
30 Aug 2015 23:15:20
Dazza even though I'm a huge Moyes fan and am not afraid to say it, I wouldn't knock Martinez yet. This season I think will tell a lot about him. You haven't even scratched the surface there with the signings Moyes done. Moyes rarely got signings wrong. Ed I know Moyes wasn't perfect especially at getting a striker for the long term. I think the last long term striker that worked out was probably big Dunc. Moyes somehow could not sign a stricker that would do a proper job for a number of seasons in a row. Hopefully Lukaku will. Seriously ed going back to when Moyes took over, could you of asked Moyes to do a better job than he did? Tell me who else would of done it better.
The biggest thing I am proud of for being an Everton fan is how long Everton are in the top flight. Second longest. If Everton ever get relegated god knows when we'd get back into the premiership if ever. In my eyes when Moyes took over that's exactly where Everton were heading. Also in my opinion the main reason Everton are still in the top flight and in a very healthy position financially is hugely down to David Moyes. I appreciate everything he done. It wasn't all him but majority was him in my opinion. Moyes teams always played like just that a team.
Plenty of players thought they were better than Everton when they left Moyes teams. Moyes got the best out of players as a team. No individuals really. Pienaar left for Spurs, done nothing there. Graveson went to Real Madrid, done nothing there. Lescott went to Man City, never played like he did under Moyes. These were players who done good jobs for Everton because Moyes had them working towards their strengths and the teams. That's why there potential was not realised elsewhere.
Moyes one season at United. Didn't do good. Van Gaal has spent how much now? And they are still not improving much. Shows that Moyes wasn't doing that bad after all.
All in all, Everton were dyer when Moyes took over, scraping at the bottom of the premiership. He left them challenging for Europe consistently season after season with a very limited budget and in a healthy position financially. Unlike how he started. I appreciate it David! Of course you weren't perfect but then again tell me a manager who is or even ever was?
{Ed025's Note - i do appreciate what moyes done NBTB, but that era is over now and its time to move on, at the end he and the team had become stale and were boring the pants of us all, yes he done well and was paid very highly for the privilege, he also left us with a sour taste in our mouths the way he left..
31 Aug 2015 09:03:21
Hold on a second Leicester Toffee. What are you all saying? Its ok to have a go at Moyes and Martinez is brilliant all of a sudden. I think jury is still out on Martinez. Didn't he get Wigan relegated? I'm not putting Martinez down for one second. As I said I haven't made my mind up about him yet just pointing out the facts. Another fact too Martinez has a very long long long way to go to do what David Moyes has done for this club. Again I'm not having a go at Martinez he could end up being a better manager at Everton than Moyes was. Fact is at the moment he has a long way to go to do that. Moyes done a fantastic job at Everton. Anyone that disputes that hasn't a clue and are very ungrateful in my opinion.
31 Aug 2015 09:45:18
I can't argue with you there Ed. Martinez definitely freshened the team up when he came in. Moyes did leave on a sour note. I didn't like some of his comments either about Everton being a stepping stone to bigger clubs. I don't think he's always right but do think he's one of few managers who knows what he's about.
31 Aug 2015 11:28:34
wot a plonker you are dazza what a stupid post
31 Aug 2015 11:46:59
Don't be afraid to say you're a Moyes fan! The man did great things for this club. I don't buy this whole "he left on a sour note".
The time was right for both parties to separate but I will always wish him well and would even have him back at the club in the future if that was best for the club. Just likeI'd have Rooney back!!
31 Aug 2015 12:21:04
I was just stating NBTB that dazza had picked out only 3 signings from Martinez and not listed the other good ones that's been bought in. Moyes transfers were over a very long period as he'd been there for so long but he also bought badly at times too. Martinez has only been here a short space of time but there seems to be those that want to shoot him down at every opportunity. Every manager will make good signings and bad signings over their time. Bazza only pointed out the (want he felt) bad signings for Martinez and the good ones from Moyes. That's why I said he should have thought harder before posting that post. If he had of given a fair comparison between the 2 and their transfer dealing then that would be fine but he didn't!!! That's why I said that he made himself look like a muppet, because he did!!!
31 Aug 2015 15:45:47
How I see it is Moyes had a good reliable top six squad for a few years,where as I see Martinez and his squad are a mid table side.quality has dropped.I may of had too much squash last night .but with few signings or maybe Lennon prob our most expensive signing where is the ambition.26 hrs to prove me wrong.
31 Aug 2015 19:04:03
Had our highest points finish under Martinez. Moyes had a worse second season than Martinez did. Look at the drop from fourth under Moyes to the season after that. You completely ignored all the points of how you ignored Martinez's good signings and Moyes' bad one's. I know it's all about opinions but you are chatting rubbisb mate. At least acknowledge some of the facts rather than flat out dismissing them. Again, would you rather we sign a good player for 5m or a crap player for 15m?.
31 Aug 2015 20:13:13
aflm 78 who are you saying shouldn't be afraid to admit they are a Moyes? I hope it wasn't me because I said I wasn't afraid to admit it pretty much in my first line. I also wish him all the best wherever he goes. Anyone who has read my posts before would know I'm as big a fan of Moyes as anyone. Didn't he say Everton was a stepping stone to getting the United job. Not a decent thing to say after spending so long with Everton but that doesn't distort my opinion on him. I would have him back anytime along with Rooney.
I kinda agree with you Leicester Toffee he did not make a good argument. Your right every manager makes good a bad signings. Alex Ferguson signed his fair share of bad ones and look at what he achieved. I never knocked Martinez. I even said he 'may' turn out to be better than Moyes. Fact is Martinez took over a far far better club than David Moyes did. Everton were struggling big time when Moyes took over, that is a fact. Look where they are now! They don't have to sell players, that's mostly down to Moyes not Martinez. Martinez inherited a very decent team in a very good position. Therefore Moyes done an amazing job, fact.
Swan not sure who your comments were made at? I'll answer your last question anyway even if you weren't directing your comment at me. I'd rather sign a player for £60,000 and then for him to turn out to be the best player in his position in the premier league! Who done that? O yea that's right, David Moyes, fact 😊
31 Aug 2015 20:41:37
Swan I'm not knocking Martinez but you say acknowledge facts. I think you need to. Martinez first season he inherited a brilliant setup that Moyes worked over a decade for, fact. Martinez got Wigan relegated, fact. I know they won FA cup, fact. But where are they now? Biggest fact about Moyes is he turned Everton around. We didn't have to sell Stones ( who was signed by Moyes ) because how well the club was run under Moyes. Don't start on about how Moyes didn't play Stones or Barkley. That was very simply because they weren't ready. They were ready when Martinez took over. How convenient for him. As I said plenty of times I'm knocking Martinez. In my above post I even said he could turn out to be better at Everton than Moyes was. Moyes was a fantastic servant to Everton, fact. Every manager has downfalls. So why put Moyes down for turning Everton from being practically relegated in his first season to finishing top 7 regularly. Nothing to do with Martinez, all happened before him. Tell me another manager who could have done that for Everton? I'd love to know who could of done a better job than Moyes over the time he was there? He was well paid yes, worth every penny. Better than any signing Everton ever made.
31 Aug 2015 22:52:38
I was replying to Dazza mate. Have to disagree on Coleman though, 3rd best in the league for me. I think it is really convenient how they just so happened to be ready a mere 2 months after Moyes left. If you're good enough you're old enough. Martinez at Wigan had lots of injuries in his last season, so much so he had his Right Back and Left Back playing Centre Back. Moyes did do well and I acknowledge that, but he bottled every big game and played some of the most boring Football in the league. Not the most but at least top 8-10. No one knows who could do what Moyes did, we will never know, whoever I saw will be treated with the same 'no he couldn't' response. I think there have been better managers at Everton (signings you call them) than David Moyes. Howard Kendall springs to mind, I will give moyes credit for getting us away from relegation, twice, he almost gotnus relegated after finishing 7th remember. He signed some great players, Coleman, Jagielka, Baines, Cahill, Stones and many more. He had his fair share of stinkers, thise of which I have listed above. Martinez wanted to buy Stones at Wigan, so don't say Moyes scouted him and wnated him, our scouts actually had to convince Moyes to sign him as he wasn't completely sure. What about Luke Garbutt? Was he not ready at 19? Yet Luke Shaw at 17 was? Again if you're good enough you're old enough. Another Moyes never played, oh sorry bar 45 minutes against Leyton Orient which only happened because Baines got injured. Moyes went to Old Trafford, Anfield, the Emirates and Stamford Bridge and never tried to win. He was happy to take a point or a 2-0 loss. He told those players they were not good enough to beat Manchester United or Arsenal. Martinez went and played Arsenal off the park and we deserved the win, destroyed Manchester United (funnily enough managed by Moyes), unlucky at Stamford Bridge, twice. Got beat by Liverpool when we had Stones at Right Back and Lukaku as our only fully fit players. Lukaku got injured in the first half. Moyes never bothered with the youth as proved by Sheedy. He then let his contract run out after private talks with Ferguson behind Everton's back, told Fellaini and Baines they were too good for Everton. We then ripped him off for Fellaini. He said if Ferguson had came in for them when Moyes was here then he would struggle to say no. Despite him fuming over the Lescott saga. No one wanted to play for him at Utd and he will probably go down as one of their worst managers in history and rightly so. I'm grateful for the good things he did but the bad things need to be acknowledged. What killed it was when he said we are holding our players back despite him finishing 2 places behind us. Too good for Everton, ha!.