28 Apr 2016 21:26:25
Eds, blues just curious (and naive on this so don't be too brutal) been a blue for almost 40yrs here and obviously have observed the game change dramatically into a financial beast. So on that note how is managing different to say 30yrs ago? I guess what I'm getting at is. is a manager fully accountable for team selection, tactics etc? Ergo there is such a large background/ training staff that they must have some say or some influence. in which case the manager will arbitrate and consider their opinions also. especially when trying to address problem areas visa vie the way we have played this year may not solely lie at the feet of one man? Just a thought. be gentle boys just trying to look at things from a different perspective. my own personal views aside.
{Ed002's Note - A great question and I am sure others will have plenty of ideas as well. Certainly the game is faster, the players fitter and more technical. Diet has changed, players are looked after a lot better than they were. Money has increased in England allowing a pick of players from a larger pool - so culture, settling, language etc. play a part. Coaches (with three exceptions in England) are now required to having been formally trained and to have qualified. Europe is the norm for travel for many more clubs than it was, and that brings different needs. A little from the top of my head and I am sure others will contribute.}
28 Apr 2016 22:28:52
I agee with both above Jcl1878 and Ed002. I'm only old enough to remember back to the 80's so compared to you two my experience of days before that are basically non-existent. Although my ways of looking at the game is old fashioned.
Hate the way players earn so much. As of late how young they are earning such vast sums of money. What intrigued me about your comment was the manager and it reminded me of something I thought of recently enough.
Martinez has obviously been in for a lot of stick lately. I've given him some but here's the but. If he had a plan B in his game plan then I think it would be possible for him to do better. He is a decent enough manager in the grand scheme of things.
I mean he is at a higher level of management than your Sunday league games. It is his ignorance not to deviate from his game plan that is his downfall imho. If he only tried different game plans and changed things to a different game plan there is at least a chance he could improve things.
Looks like its too late now. Simple things like how he stood by Howard for so long I'll never understand. I'm all for sticking by players and managers who all go through bad patch's but he definitely overplayed Howard when it was obvious to everyone he was our weak link.
Don't get me wrong. That was only one small aspect of his downfall. That negativity spread imo. Martinez is a decent person and I hope he doesn't suffer anything horrific because some supporters are getting worked up over everything.
If he only considered using a plan B, C or D things may have worked out totally different. That's my reading of it anyway. I know most probably won't agree.
{Ed002's Note - Great post NBTB - lots of rationale.}
28 Apr 2016 22:30:08
In my view the manager is fully accountable.
If other staff are raising the issues that I see such as poor substitutions, never any left side balance, over reliance on Lukaku, not dropping Tim Howard, no plan B to name a few, then the manager isn't listening or is surrounded by yes men.
28 Apr 2016 22:37:49
My own opinion is that 30 years ago it was a sport.now it's a buisness.kids break thru,play 3-5 games and are under going negotiations to go from yts money to 15k a week.its crazy.ho many great footballers in British football alone,from the 60's and 70's had to buy and run a pub to make ends meet,or sell valued international caps.and they were ten times the player that we watch day in and out nowadays.but unfortunately it's more important to look good and have image rights,than go in for a 50/50 challenge against a Norman (bite yer legs) Hunter type player.it's a scrupulous buisness now and managers are given half a season or are sacked.
28 Apr 2016 23:40:11
In regards to money/ wages, does anyone think there will be a point where it becomes too much to be sustainable anymore? Wages are ever increasing, so how long before we see someone earn £1 Million a week?
29 Apr 2016 06:32:40
Cheers for the response chaps. I've been so wrapped up in laying blame at the managers feet, forgetting just how massively the game has changed and just how much influence ALL the staff have. E. g. First team coaches, junior coaches, fitness coaches etc. my point being its much much more difficult to manage in the modern game and with reflection if the manager has support and buyin from his staff then he's going to take a specific tact etc. probably not making the point i'd like to. but hopefully u get the just of where I was going with my question.
29 Apr 2016 08:27:05
Agree wid NBTB Martinez seems to be a really decent guy so I hope he doesn't get nasty abuse and fans going on the pitch to confront him EFC fans r better than that.
29 Apr 2016 08:40:38
Some good posts here, however the old saying The Buck stops here does to a certain extent stand true. Ultimately no matter what standard you manage at you have second opinions from your assistants but there can be only one decision maker not a ballot on each and every matter that arises in a game!
29 Apr 2016 08:45:32
Nbtb and wakka. good feedback there. thoughtful insights.
29 Apr 2016 09:07:34
The manager is responsible and must never be given the chance to off load blame end of!
If he doesn't like something he is the only one who can change that something . if someone is not pulling their weight he tells them. if the team leaks too many goals he should know about it without being told. if the advice he has chosen to take hasn't been right for the team he should change his advisors.
If the manager is flogging a dead horse that's his fault alone!
29 Apr 2016 18:57:46
Our culture mostly likes to lay the blame at an individual, I would also mention the role of the press who at times dig and dig until they get their pound of flesh. Martinez by all accounts is a good organiser from grassroots upwards but his Achilles heel it seems is his lack of ability to put theory into effective practice were the senior team is concerned. To me he is a good coach that needs a good Manager.