13 Jul 2017 20:49:48
Football is rapidly becoming the Coronation Street of the man's world!
Can someone please, please explain this absolute obsession with money? As if it was your own dosh that the club is asking for! It is becoming extremely tiresome listening to some fans repeatedly bleating on about how much they think a player is worth and how they wouldn't pay that for them. Is it because we are living in the Championship Manager era?
It's probably me just getting old and turning into a moaning get ha!
13 Jul 2017 20:56:25
This is a banter and rumour page mate. catch up.
13 Jul 2017 21:18:46
bants mate, bants.
13 Jul 2017 21:23:51
No one gets worked up maybe just like to have an input an get our emotion n point across. Which is what this page slows us to do.
Nothing wrong with that plus I'm sure you would have something to say regarding the money side if we didn't have it to spend.
Just a theory. Or maybe just a bit of banter.
Everton the gear.
13 Jul 2017 21:29:51
I'm just genuinely interested JimBob, as I see a lot of people getting quite caught up in the money side of transfers. Just my opinion and something I don't understand. I'm sure lots of people will disagree with me of course.
I'm having a bit of banter at the same time obviously ;-)
13 Jul 2017 22:01:59
I totally agree Pierre. A lot of fans tend to determine a players worth by his value rather than what he contributes to the team.
At £30mil Gylfi was the man we lacked. Now it's getting towards £50mil he's now not worth getting by some. Personally, I don't care about the value I just look at what they bring to the team.
13 Jul 2017 22:05:06
Oy PierreLeBlue
There's only enough room for one moaning, grumpy old git on here and that's me :-)
13 Jul 2017 23:03:47
Pierell, sod the money I need my next fix, Siggerson, Giroud, Van Dijk, get them in, I am getting withdrawal symptoms, need another signing or three.
13 Jul 2017 23:07:01
Well I'm getting sick of people saying 'its not my money'.
Its not my money obviously but its my club which I care about. That's the only reason I care how they spend. Don't care how rich our new owner is, how many good new deals he completes. No matter how much money the club has its NOT a bottomless pit.
I am not giving out about the club. I'm over the moon with our fantastic summer so far. Some people get carried away with signing players no matter what fee. Thinking the club will never run out of money.
There was recent developments in Ireland with Bray club which was nonsensical what was going on and how the club were spending money.
If Swansea suddenly decide, a f*ck it, we will up the price to £80m. What are we meant to do? Say, a I don't care about the money, it's not mine, sign the player.
Sorry for the moaning Grumpy its just not my mentally or ever will be to splash the cash like its going out of fashion. Always is a limit to how much anyone can spend. Rant over, you can take over the moaning from here Grumpy.
In all honesty I don't moan that often on here and am generally positive for the vast majority of the time.
13 Jul 2017 23:12:39
Not true I am a moaning old git to, well some of us have to talk sense lol.
13 Jul 2017 23:32:47
I wouldn't consider myself as a moaner about the bottomless pit we seemingly have but I am wary of how we spend it. I would like Gylfi for around the 30 mark, but for me, 50 is too high. Maybe if he was the final piece I wouldn't be too concerned, but as i say - for me, the extra 20m could go towards a centre back as well for example.
Without being soon and gloom, and I am ecstatic and slightly surprised (in a good way) I still feel we need around 3 more players to make a push for champions league football, and for the new team to gel pretty quickly.
14 Jul 2017 06:53:20
What you are suggesting is even more expensive Kingo. Not only are you spending £50 mil on two players but now you will be paying TWO wages out! That's more than just getting Gylfi. It won't be the player you want but settling for two you dont. Plus how many CB do you want.
We don't know the finances involved in the club and the finances involved in football especially in transfers.
The club's that don't compete buy players to beef up SQUADS and get a bargain or look for potential sell on value which all comes with its own risk as We have found in the last 20 years. The club's that are successful buy players to improve the TEAM IMMEDIATELY with proven ability.
Showing ambition like we are doing helps stops situations like Lukaku were they think they are bigger than the club. Not everytime but most. It will help stop players like him, Lescott, Arteta, Stones, Rodwell, Barmby, Fellani, Rooney and many others thinking we are just a stepping stone or not there to compete.
This is not a Portsmouth or Leeds where we are using revenue streams for day to day business. This is £90mil from a player sold, £50mil last summer for Stones, £75mil sponsor deal, owner investment and more players will go.
If we can afford to get the player that is best for that position then you get him. Simple as that.
14 Jul 2017 00:40:44
You Everton fans are deluded, you set unrealistic price on your players and you complain about others being too expensive.
{Ed025's Note - thats just the way of the the world im afraid rover, everyone loves a bargain and no one wants to lose their best players, i wish i knew who you support so i could give you some pelters because every club is the same mate..
14 Jul 2017 09:01:19
BlueJohnUns you hit the nail on the head, 'if we can afford a player we should get'. That's exactly what I'd be saying with 'afford' being the key word.
Good business is what we need. We seem to be doing just that all summer. What you say 'small clubs' do by getting bargains and having a sell on value is good business. Without good business any business in the world would go under. No club has the luxury of spending whatever amount of money they want. They have to be sure they can 'afford' the expenses they have.
I have a Business degree and am running a business my father has all his life and his father before him. Rovercocastic what you say there is what every realistic good business people do. Sell for as high a price as you can and buy for as low as you can. Then obviously you increase the value or profit of your company. You mist do the best you can which seems what everyone at Everton is doing.
Anyway I don't see anyone complaining about the price players. Just people not willing to give the amount.
14 Jul 2017 10:08:36
Well NBTB how many trophies have our bargains got us in the last 22 years? In fact put together all of the trophies won by every 'small club' over the last 22 years any it probably doesn't even match what Chelsea or United have won individually in that time.
A business degree doesn't mean you know how to run a business. It gives you the tools to make the right choices the same as any education you get. It's how you use that knowledge and to be fair Moshiri he has done a fair amount of business dealings himself and been pretty successful.
I'm not having a go I'm just saying here that you won't win trophies unless you use every ounce of resource whether that be money or whatever to get the best people for the job. There is no need to have money in the bank as a football club or any business for that matter. You invest it. In players, in infrastructure, that is the currency you have in business. Money in the bank for a rainy day is dead money.
14 Jul 2017 10:41:34
NBTB forgive me if i am wrong here but £100 mill out so far (there abouts) and £75 mil in. lots of new faces but I don't think anyone has to cook the books yet. So yeah! I think its fine to say "its ot my money" and stand back and enjoy. We are far off being reckless with the money. Plus Tv deal Plus new business initiatives. I wouldn't mind betting that wages aside, we are probably financially up. Get over it and do the maths. If Barkley goes (I hope so, crap in my opinion) we will probably be turning a profit on the transfer window.
14 Jul 2017 10:57:15
In my opinion we do need to think about the money and have a bit of realism when expressing our opinions as the Clubs are tied down to FFP so when suggesting a signing its always worth noting how much they will cost and not just what they will bring to the club. If you don't plan around your finances then you may well end up a creak without a paddle. Gylfi at £30m may be a good by but that extra £20m plus may hamper other spending plans. What happens if he gets injured ala Bolasis or Besic? As a blue we have seen prudent sensible money management at the club I don't see this changing under our new leadership. If RK wants Gylfi and it suits our budget then I am pretty sure we will get him. Or we could just pick our fantasy team and whinge like mad when we don't get it.
14 Jul 2017 15:18:33
BlueJohnUns the business degree is one element of my understanding in business. You seem to miss the part where I work in my fathers business. All my life. He worked in the same business all his life as his father done. Plenty of generations in business there. The degree is only secondary to that.
I'm obviously delighted with the club recently and have nothing but praise for them. Trophies? It wasn't about trophies this last 22 years. It was about good business. Because of that good business we are not in a position to compete for trophies now.
I was talking in general and in general if a business over spends it goes under. Its because I care so much for Everton FC that it is a concern for me personally. I realise others don't even entertain the idea and I envy those who think this way.
14 Jul 2017 16:04:53
Correction: we are in a position to compete for trophies.