Everton Banter Archive January 17 2013
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17 Jan 2013 22:16:04
do the club really have money to spend...would make sense to take a punt on strengthening the squad now and if we can finish top 4 all will be repaid in dividend ...what do you thing Ed ? {Ed013's Note - Everton will have a war-chest hidden away, how much? who knows}
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Where is the war chest coming from though? We haven't sold anyone of any major value, although i'm pretty sure Heitinga will be sold for a few mil soon as he's not getting games.
With that you would think moyes has a centre half coming in?
Also with barkley going on loan, he must be pretty confident of a centre mid coming in too.
Am I right in thinking we don't currently have any players on loan to us aswell? Moyes loves a loan, so maybe we've got one or two of them coming in too. He also doesn't let much slip when it comes to transfers, so we probably won't know till its official.
Exciting times, but the ed's make it harder by dropping hints with their comments! All in good fun though! IMWT!
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I believe there something going behind the scenes, Moyes will have something to spend.Stef the blue
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To the second poster saying where has our war chest come from, we haven't sold anyone, erm I think you have a short memory, cahill and rodwell were both sold recently
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I believe Capoue can play CB and CM so if Heitinga were to go and he were to come in it would make some sense
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17 Jan 2013 22:03:58
Wudnt it be great if we signed, m, villa and capoue"coyb
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17 Jan 2013 22:02:04
Ed is it me or does 8.5 mil seem very expensive for a 'cup of tea'....?
jon b {Ed013's Note - It depends if its Yorkshire Tea}
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17 Jan 2013 21:51:03
Being an optimist and realist, which can be difficult when you have followed the greatest club in the world for over 50 years, I have come to this conclusion.
We are in the best position in the league for a number of years, Moyes contract finishes in the summer, Everton will get 20 million tv revenue mid year, BK loves the club. So I am expecting Bill to mortgage get a loan on the incoming revenue and provide 10-12 million for DM. DM will buy wisely probably 2 players + a loan. I reckon Butland will be one and a CM and Striker. Anyway keep up the great work Eds and COYB {Ed013's Note - I will pass it on to all Eds, thanks mate}
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17 Jan 2013 20:42:23
Confident that Capoue will join and Fellaini will stay because I back Kenwright & Moyes! COYB think positive!
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Here here.
Ste Old Swan
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Slightly ambitious this but I feel with 2 players we could possibly win the league. Capoue/M'Vila and Donovan and our team would be:-
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Coleman..Jags..Distin..Baines
Fellaini..Capoue/M'Vila
Mirallas..Donovan..Pienaar
Jelavic
That team wouldn't be far off challenging IMHO
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Top 4 maybe, with a bigger fund with the mega money in 2015 you never no..
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If Donovan has gas in the tank and fire in the belly, that line up would be amazing, with two big midfielders and speed lef and right and solid defense up the middle. FA Cup challengers and Top Four.
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You need than 13 players to win the league but it's wishful thinking though.
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You need 13 players in that squad there's no oviedo and gibbo
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Osman, Osman, Osman. Stop forgetting him. He is our best player this year and should be first on the team sheet
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Why do I need 13 players in a team. I thought a team was comprised of 11 men ? Yes Gibbo, Ossie and Oviedo are good players but that would be my strongest 11. Everyone has a different opinion which is the beauty of football
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18 Jan 2013 09:52:21
Baffles me why some people still omit Leon, he is at his peak and is an outstanding player, proper Evertonian, would die for the shirt, works his ass of and is quality.
Degsy
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Who would you leave out of that team for Osman ? I love Osman as much as the next blue but, in my opinion, that would be the strongest 11, with Osman doing damage from the bench when the opposition are tiring.
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17 Jan 2013 20:24:10
Moyes should push the boat out for M'Villa. Class and only 22. Surely Everton is a better prospect than QPRother than if the move is simply for money. Kc blue.
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Everton might be a better prospect than QPR right now, but i'm sorry to say in the next 2 to 3 years we'll be lagging behind QPR if nothing changes at Everton with the investment.
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'Arry appears to be repeating his usual practice of spend at any cost. Add that to the number of also ran's signed already this season, I can see QPR following a similar route to Portsmouth.
Also, in Darron Gibson we have a class holding midfielder who should always be in the team when fit.
Fancy Smith
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17 Jan 2013 20:08:48
Watched it loads and reccommended for those blues that havnt seen it yet
YT kevin mirallas the belgian ronaldo
One of the times YT makes a great player look great, I hope he stays it because he is going to light up the Prem
Degsy
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Watched it when he signed Degsy, and, for me, he hasn't shown that level yet, though in fairness he's come to a much higher level, so I think it's fair to say there's a lot more to come from him...hopefully
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He's always injured
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Hes always injured?, he's been injured twice and the second time has been a reoccurance of the original injury
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17 Jan 2013 16:12:38
Not sure if any of you agree, but i believe 3rd place is well and truly up for grabs, with the 'rafa' issue at chelsea, they're not exactly running away with 3rd, arsenal are completely out of sorts recently, however i do believe spurs may be a step too far, considering their quality, and the financial power compared to ourselves. But by no means is it out of the realm of possibility, a strong finish to the season with a few wins at the big grounds, we would really be in with a shout
Alex
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We need to beat the likes of swansea at home if we are going to get 3rd. some winnable games coming up and harder ones for those above us. we need to close gap. its our home form which will be key!
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We need to beat swansea at home what like arsenal and chelsea did, yes we have drawn a lot of games this season but last season a lot of those draws would have been losses and some of our wins would have been draws, that's why this time last year there were people saying if we don't get players we would be in a relegation dog fight well we got players in we finished well, we got players in in the summer and we are doing very well, this is an improvement people and i agree with alex 3rd place is possible COYB IMWT......GRBEFC
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17 Jan 2013 15:47:21
Reasons to be Cheerful :-
Part 17
We're not all as depressed as tp.
Part 18
Ratboy has finally admitted that he is a cheat.
EFCWhitesocks {Ed025's Note - well that cheered me up whitey..:)
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I thought her is more like a ferret
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17 Jan 2013 15:27:07
I see Suarez has admitted to diving against Stoke to get a penalty. Brendan Rogers has said this is unacceptable and Suarez will be dealt with internally by the club. This poses 2 questions to me.....
1 Does Brendan mean diving is unacceptable, or does he mean admitting it to the press is unacceptable? I guess the latter.
2 When he says the matter will be dealt with internally, does he mean with a red hot poker? Coz I bloody well hope so!
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Total joke. Brenda should have recognised what a cheat Suarez is a long time ago and not waited until the little rubbishs admission.
By stating he will take internal action now, shows how much he has to learn from a real man and Manager like Moyes. Some people have got steel inside them and some jelly. Afraid Brenda is made of the wobbly stuff just like Pardew.
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It was probably an "unintentional" admission by Suarez
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17 Jan 2013 11:25:36
Is it just me or does any1 think jela needs a kick up the a** maybe bench him with victor upfront a felli supporting him . . . or even try vellios at some stage, from watching our recent games, jela needs to stay onside more as he's always being flagged, also needs more confidence with the ball . . . not saying he isnt great cos i know he will come good again and have the same form as the 2nd half of last season, just thinking along the lines off that he knows he's our no1 striker and don't think he's getting enough comp COYB!
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To be honest I think the opposite is true and he's trying too hard, which in turn means he's in the wrong areas when the chances come. That said we should be looking at another striker as a priority if we have any spare cash as competition for places is important.
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Strong rumours about James mc carthey, heard last night of good source, given more credibility this morning of a source from the Wigan end his words being watch this space .hope it's true good player
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I agree with bluestu1878, he is trying to hard, he scored all his goals last season from just being in the box, he isn't going to score many whilst he is going off to the wing looking for the ball
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But there is a lot of times he is calling for the ball and our players take a easy option instead of trying that cutting through ball, gotta try and feed him when he calls for it, if we lose the ball we lose it, out of 10 tries 2/3 will get through, and given only the goaly, 2 out of them 3 will be in the back of the net!
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17 Jan 2013 10:34:33
HELLO is nobody listening WE don't have any money we owe 49 million and poss more and rising we don't own the training ground and lovely goodison park needs replacing.SO listen again we have no money so no exp transfers or taking on new wage bills of some strange sounding footballer that nobodys ever heard of. ONLY if we sell and weaken the team only then can we afford a loan player.so stop dreaming.we need to get a new manager lined up if david does not sign and if he does sign that's gonna be a more money improved contract with a prob big resigning fee .SO please stop dreaming cos we have no money .I wish we would sell someone and put the money back to reduce the debt and give young players like duffy and barclay a chance instead of bringiing some chancer in who won't sit on the bench but just unsettle squad instead.WE HAVE NO MONEY SIMPLES.. tp {Ed025's Note - is TP the new mike?...you are very negative mate, as Monty python said " always look on the bright side of life"...
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Thanks for that tp, if we ever hit a low point this season at least we can rely on you to pick us up lol thank God your not on our board .Stef the blue
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Sounds like a regular 'toffeewebber' to me. Constant negativity and 'doom-mongering' over there.
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17 Jan 2013 11:31:22
Hey Tp, the site is for rumours mate, the guys are only chatting about their wish list etc etc.
What have we got if you want to take our dreams away from us.
Are you Mike's brother
Degsy
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I'll keep dreaming pal, if we don't have dreams what have we got?? COYB
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Tp how do you know we have no money? are you just repeating the usual press mantra ' everton in dept will have to sell to appease the bank' i refer you to an interview with robert elstone conducted in december in which he says we have 'a small budget available' the important word there is small but it is available non the less, and we all know what david can do with a small budget. your solution is to sell a player to sevice the dept and play young players, well that seems to be working for villa, this idea would probably derail our season and ruin any chance of the lucrative cl money and also lower our prize money for the season by not finishing as high as is possible at present. hopefully you are just having a bad day and are not usually this pessimistic take a leaf out of eds book and always look on the bright side of life and get behind us on our push for pl and cl double in five years!! you see it doesn't hurt to dream!COYB IMWT.....grbefc {Ed025's Note - I could not have put it better myself grb..well done mate..
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YES i take your points on board .but the truth is we have no money tp
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Most of that is a working debt, like a mortgage .youl probably find teams a lot more in debt .surely with incoming tv revenue, assets on the field, and the least likely board members realising here's the time to push on and back the manager we could find money
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MAYBE your all right about this and its just me sick of waiting for a decent signing I will go and have a lie down and I will be ok tomorrow .tp.. {Ed025's Note - pleasant dreams TP..
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17 Jan 2013 14:48:13
Ed that was a class reply, you have excelled yourself there mate
Degsy
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Such negativity, WHY? we are in the best position we have been in for years and years. Most clubs are in debt and still spend, there's no reason we won't spend as well, unless you're secretly David Moyes or a board member there is no way you could know how much we have to spend, you never know we might have something to spend (hence being linked with players that would involve a transfer fee) or one of our wealthy board members might of open their wallets for one. Ffs we don't want your negativity here, go back to what, toffeeweb, the blue union, something like that?
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The truth is we have no money? are you on the board? are you one of our accountants? they are the only people who know how much money we have or don't have
yes we are in 49m debt but that was season end 2011/12, not this year, does not include rodwell deal, cahill deal, nike deal, season ticket revenue! not so long ago we were in alot more debt but still signed felli for 15m
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Mirallas+Jelavic+Gibson=Decent signings, give your head a shake tp
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And at least im brave enough to sign my posts tp
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49m and rising? where did you pull that nugget from? its 49m and dropping it was up around 60m not long ago! and our debt is one of the lowest in the league!
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17 Jan 2013 10:33:30
I watched man utd game last night and thought Rooney didn't look himself I think he will be back sooner than we think if we can get champs league I not saying this year but but maybe the year after if we can keep progressing. I know a lot of people will shoot me down on this one but wouldn't it be great if it all fell into place and Rooney be the final piece of the jigsaw.
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17 Jan 2013 11:33:00
Dont know about that just yet Rob, I do think though that if we get Champs league it will open up a whole new world for us with investment etc.
Personally I think Rooney will be back at 30 years old mate, probably be about 18 stone then though.
Degsy
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I totally agree with you been saying this for years if he never had left his beloved club we would probably of been in the championship now his sale started what we have today so i believe he left to save us and now he is demanding alex let him return once a blue always a blue
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Wayne Rooney will never play for everton again. His next move will be worth hundreds of grand a week. He ain't the sort of person to turn down a payday in my opinion. Of course he can prove me wrong by signing for a measly 70k a wk or whatever our top wage is... Sounds silly doesn't it, 70k wouldn't be enough for him. Puts these players lives into perspective.
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17 Jan 2013 09:55:10
Diame and danny graham"would do very nice at a steal"think that would put us right up there"ryanfromleic
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No we don't want players like this pushing for CL football unless they're squad players/bench warmers rather than First XI. Need the likes of Capoue/M'Vila to help our top 4 challenge
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17 Jan 2013 07:55:56
Hi Ed, just a curious question does Moyes speak any other languages other than english? was just wondering because some of our players like Felli, Jela and Mirallas have pretty poor english. Dan1 {Ed025's Note - I don't think so Dan..he still struggles with English .. :)
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I thought felli was pretty good. Not heard Mirallas speak english yet tho and bet Jelavic has grasped the Scottish tongue from his time in Scotland
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Leon Fellaini speaks very good English i understood him very well when i heard him say he is happy at Everton COYB .Stef the blue
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Football is a world wide language
Shoot, score, win....Simples
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17 Jan 2013 11:34:34
If Mirallas doesnt speak good English all Moyes has to say is the following:
When we have the ball give it to Mirallas, simples
Degsy
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Felli speaks very good english, as does super kev
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17 Jan 2013 04:24:58
I have posted quite a few times on here before, wish I had left my name as they were all credible posts and two 'agreed' by ED! but i didn't so you probably will dismiss this one! anyway: My ideal and prediction for most likely team for rest of season if we manage to make any transfers!
............................Howard.................................
.Coleman....Jagielka...NEW(lescott! Forren!)....Baines
Mirallas.......Odjida-ofoe.......Osman............Peinaar
.........................Fellaini...................................
..............................Jelavic...............................
Subs:
1) Mucha! 2) Distan 3)Oviedo 4) Anichebe 5) Gibson 6) Naismith 7) (new striker: promising and young- give Jelavic a kick up the backside! (Moyes gem finding))
As you can see there is not much change at all to the starting line-up... There doesn't need to be!
Ofoe would be a great addition as it would strengthen midfield immensely (no disrespect to Phil Neville! the mentality and passion he brings is invaluable. However he is not a CL midfielder). If any of you watched the Swansea match you will agree that we lacked such a player (a commanding presence who can see a pass forward and is comfortable on the ball!) to allow Osman to express his play making capabilities and flair in attack.
I think we also need a new central defender, not because Distin isn't reliable enough (FA Cup Semi excluded!) because he is quick and powerful and in my view has had a blinder of a season so far. But we have become far to complacent in defense and especially the partnership between Jags and the big french man. We need to bring a good central defender in, to mix this up, to create competition between them and cut out complacency as we are conceding far to many goals! IN JUST TWO ADDITIONS I BELIEVE WE CAN ACHIEVE 3rd OR 4th PLACE WITH OUR TEAM! We will have the most balanced team in the PM, my view! I think Jelavic is class enough to be our leading striker and take us to CL, but i think he will thrive with a bit more competition for his place, bringing in a good and young striker will kick start this season for him, (second season syndrome has been a bitch so far!)
What do you all think?
Sorry to go on a bit lads! but it is all positive as we are in a really great place right now, hopefully we can capitalistic on it!
Ham {Ed025's Note - good post that ham..
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Good post pal but I'm not sure about leaving Gibson on the bench...
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No way should Gibson be on the bench, the fact that we still haven't lost a league game in which he started and finished (West Brom game shouldn't count as he went off after 15mins) shows his importance to this side.
Far too important to this side, and is always missed when not in the starting XI. Range of passing is exceptional and reads the game so well
Personally, priority for me, is a big, strong, defensive midfielder, like Capoue (sp?) or M'Vila to sit alongside Gibson or Osman, a back up striker, one preferably with pace and I still think we need another winger, because Naismith is NOT a winger, it pains me to see him play there.
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Ham, prefer to have a good RM as cover for Mirallas than a CB plus it gives us the option to try Mirallas either upfront or just behid the main striker. Also I think Gibson would push really hard for a place in the team maybe at the expense of Ossie who has been outstanding since being asked to play CM. However, if we get what your asking for and everyone stays fit then 4th is realistic and 3rd a possibility.
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17 Jan 2013 02:02:49
In regards to transfers, we must keep in mind that we are fifth on the table. We'd have a slew of injuries, and yet still in fifth. We have clearly underachieved. Many draws, by way of missed opportunities or bad officiating, should have been victories.
I can think of only one point we did not deserve (yeah Suarez was onsides).
We have scored the fifth or sixth number of goals, and the defense (not a misspelling mates) has been solid (better goals against than most of the League).
Get Hibbo, Gibson, Super Kevi back. Better luck, better aggression, and top four is likely. Even if you bring in half these rumored transfers, is any ones of them as an unknown better than who we have? Chemistry counts, and a bag of high priced all stars is never guaranteed to ripen to perfection. Look at the Mad Cossack at Arsenal.
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Actually Suarez should have been sent off in the first half for deliberately raking super kev. So I will put that one down to bad officiating too.
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"I can think of only one point we did not deserve (yeah Suarez was onsides). "
What are you on about? We were the better team, their 2 goals were lucky (Suarez's shot went in off the back of Baines' knee and Sterling dived for the free kick that led to their 2nd goal), Suarez assaulted Mirallas and Distin and got away with it, and even though Suarez was onside for the disallowed goal, if you look it should of been disallowed anyway due to the fact that Coates was using Jagielka as a stepladder
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I think the Suarez non-goal is the only real good break we've had, but point well taken regarding his other antics. Other than our 2 nil effort, no team has dominated Everton.
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New Blue in the U, I'm going to ask a question here and I wan't a straight and honest answer. Are you Tim Cahill? I had reason to believe Timmy was originally 'Aussie Blue' but he seems to have disappeared, and now you have turned up only recently, signing off with 'New Blue in the U.' I'm guessing the 'U' in your name would be USA? The reason I ask this question is because Tim Cahill is my idol, and as I'm 16, he is the best Everton player I have seen and my favorite Everton player.
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16 Jan 2013 22:52:33
Moyes knows what's best for the club and if that means not buying then so be it, we need to get behind him and challenge the big guns because on our day we our just as good. COYB. ToffeeKev
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How much better is any one of these transfers than the players we haven or those injured and awaiting a return to fitness. At best some transfers may provide depth and projects for next year. Team chemistry, and the team knowing that Moyes has their back, that they won't be discarded for the flavor of the day. COYB.
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