Everton Banter Archive May 06 2013

06 May 2013 21:41:16
If moyes is staying, fine. If he's going, fine, but don't you think now that europe has gone, he really owes both the supporters, and the club an answer? No player is bigger than the club we are always told, well no manager is either. {Ed025's Note - fair point mate..

Your right mate we need an answer, honestly I want Moyes to stay but there is a part of me that says a change could be a good thing, but if it was down to me I would keep him. Stef the blue

Personally I hope DM will stay. He will only go now if he has massive resources at his disposal at another club. You can't blame him if he does.

With all the money that is in football I think its about time another two or three teams started to compete for the title and champions league spots. Personally I think there is more interest generated these days in champions league/europa slots and relegation battles more so than who wins premier league.

I am a blue nose through and through, but I have to say this that BR at the RS is a decent footballing manager and knows exactly where he wants to go. It took him a while but they have bought into his style. He will have more resources than DM unless we are bought however contrary to his comments we r the best team on Merseyside, but it worries me that they may overtake us.

We deserve so much more and hope that BK can attract the right investor as I think we really could become develop the peoples club ethos worldwide.

Europe is not gone yet, its a long shot, need 6 points from last 2 games and spurs to get beat in their last 3, it is a long shot but don't say it is gone until it actually is

It's gone.

Pod

06 May 2013 21:07:57
Am I the only one to think that DM needed to win the FA Cup this year more than Everton as a club did? The prize and TV money from winning the FA Cup and playing in the UEFA Europa League is not game-changing for us - unlike qualifying for the UEFA Champions League group stages would be.
However, for DM, winning a trophy adds to his CV and removes the criticism that he's won nothing.
I still think that DM taking over from Neil Lennon at Celtic could be possible - it'd give DM the chance to manage a Champions League club and his CV would be accordingly enhanced. The alternative could be managing in the Bundesliga, but his lack of trophies and lack of CL experience could be a show stopper.
Either way, he'll sooner or later get a job at a "wealthier" club and eventually be the Scotland manager.
If he'd had the funds to build a bigger/better squad, would he have won trophies at Everton and would he have achieved regular CL qualification? Would he have played progressive, expansive, entertaining, attacking football if he'd had the better players earlier on during his managerial stint? Would he have done better with a modern stadium to fund the club's progress?

06 May 2013 20:45:53
Be honest - how much do you really think we'd get in transfer fees for our most currently saleable assets: Fellaini and Baines?
And how much for the players whose form has dropped this season: Jelavic and Heitinga?
Apart from Jagielka and Mirallas, who I imagine could command decent fees (but who I wouldn't expect to lose this coming transfer window), our other players are mostly 30-plus (or thereabouts), or too inconsistent, or too injury-prone, or still too young and too inexperienced - all of which means IMHO limited potential for big transfer fees for them.
The more I think about it, the £12 million (and counting) we got for Rodwell was a great deal.
Whatever fees we might bring in, does anyone think it'd all be available for incoming transfers?
We might be able to increase the squad by a handful of incoming players, but I think we'll be mostly dependent on our U-21 and U-18 players proving good enough for the Premier League.
I think we're in for a few seasons on inconsistency as younger players replace the ageing squad members.
If we get through that, then we should have the platform to progress.
Of course, if some sugar daddy would let our club spend his money, then it might be a different scenario - but that's not likely - is it?

06 May 2013 20:55:05
Felli 25 million and Baines 20 million to a billionaire club or 15 man u

Jelly and jonny 3 million each

Thats what I think anyway

Degsy

If Jan Mucha signs a contract extension, then £15 million.

Mike

Mike: unlike Mucha, you're priceless!
Don't ever change, mate - always speak your mind. {Ed025's Note - dont encourage him sid.. :)

06 May 2013 20:39:21
Ed why is everyone talking about lundstram, garbutt and browning? They are all leaving in the summer because they're contracts are up? {Ed025's Note - why do you think they will leave?..all contracts come to an end, have you considered that they might just renew them..

06 May 2013 21:01:59
Why leave it so late though? And maybe that's why moyes loaned lundstram our to doncaster because that's where he is headed when he leaves and he obviously doesn't think garbutt or browning are good enough

I don't know which U-21 and U-18 players will be retained or not, but am I the only one who gets frustrated when we go through all the rigmarole of "taking" promising players from other clubs and then, after a couple years apparently not progressing at Everton, we release them? I'd be hugely annoyed if young George Green isn't given the opportunity to prove himself at Everton.
Who, during Moyes' reign, has come brought the Everton ranks and become a regular Everton first teamer? Pretty much it's Hibbert and Osman. Rooney left, as has Rodwell, but what other homegrown talent has been successful with us over the past decade or so? Compare that with Everton-boyhood-supporters that have turned out for the darkside and elsewhere. {Ed025's Note - thats one of moyes,s failings for me sid..

06 May 2013 19:56:40
Really want Douglas on a free in the summer, heard lots of clubs are after him

06 May 2013 19:28:37
Haha have you read the darksides match report in the echo by james pearce, its scandolous and they call us bitter i'm sure a Mr S gerrard as really wrote that PADDOCKBLUE

06 May 2013 18:46:26
Im getting very excited for the summer transfer window as I always do hopefully moyes will be in charge. there's not much that compares to sitting there for the last 10 hours of deadline day on the couch with a bottle of beer awaiting some big signings now obviously we don't do many BIG signings but I have a good feeling about this window. My dad does not want fellaini to go but I do because it could fund our push for europe and if we don't sell him I doubt we will be able to make anymore than 3 decent signings and with one likely to be a forward who will get 15 goals a season and another signing being a youngster and another one being a squad player I doubt it will be that good but if we sell fellaini we will be able to bring in 2 big signings and 2 decent ones if not then we could sign 6 decent players who could come in and out of the first team and below is a list of players I think we should look at.

John guidetti
James mccarthy
Aiden mccgeady
Diego costa
Tomas necid
Stuart holden
Douglas
David goodwillie
Jordan rhodes
Luke shaw
Sam byram
Callum mcmanaman
Marc albrighton
Joleon lescott
Leroy fer
Luuk de jong

My views on them-Yes, No or Maybe:
Guidetti-Maybe
McCarthy-Yes
McGeady-Maybe
Costa-Never heard of him, so maybe
Necid-Yes
Holden-No
Douglas-Yes
Goodwillie-No
Rhodes-No
Shaw-Yes
Byram-Yes
McManaman-Maybe
Albrighton-Maybe
Lescott-Maybe
Fer-Yes
De Jong-Yes

John guidetti - would love it, but highly unlikey
James mccarthy - would love it, possible
Aiden mccgeady - not for me
Diego costa - maybe
Tomas necid - not seen him
Stuart holden - would be a great signing and relatively cheap
Douglas - won't happen
David goodwillie - one season wonder
Jordan rhodes - eh
Luke shaw - won't happen, unless baines leaves and even still not likely
Sam byram - not with coleman and stones still around
Callum mcmanaman - could be decent but I don't see it happening
Marc albrighton - rated him very highly a few seasons back, been injured and dropped form. if he's available for less than 1.5 mil i'd take him.
Joleon lescott - maybe
Leroy fer - maybe
Luuk de jong - not going to happen

06 May 2013 17:17:54
Brenda Rogers is a proper tit. Doesn't matter Who you support you have to admit that there was nothing wrong with Distins goal. Why can't he Just say they got Away with that decision. it really bugs me when players and managers can' t be honest after the game its not Like it will Change the score. Ar least DM is honest
Just naffs me right off
Blue60

06 May 2013 15:58:20
For the Rs, if they are calling for Fellini to be banned about elbow, we could go on about Suarez challenges he gets away with, very dirty player but world class. Secondly reina should be looked at for the dive has he has cost us a possible spot in Europe.
It doesn't even itself out at all. Never has and never will.

Jc

06 May 2013 14:32:48
Why are some media out there trying to slate our supporters and the good nam they have. Saying Everton fans were singing murderes to the LFCfans now I did not here that, and always the victoms never your fault, I think that 1 relates to Suarez and the way they defend him and nothing else. I doubt very much our fans would ever criticise LFC over hillsborough no way I am really pissed off with media trying to cause s*** between us and the darkside shame on them we have the best behaved fans in the world a few flres that's all our fans did wrong if u even call it that. Stef the blue {Ed025's Note - i think the reds know the score stef, we have shown great support for them in their hour of need, the press are scum mate, take no notice of anything they say..

Ed025: I agree - just ignore the rubbish in the press. IMHO the press cynically recognises that the public - including many of the posters on this website - have an insatiable appetite for the stories (gossip and tittle-tattle as well as genuine news) they publish and will continue buying their rags. Besides, the job of the press is to sell newspapers, so creating non-stories is part of their strategy, as is not letting the truth get in the way of what they believe would be a good story. I can probably count on one hand the football journalists I respect - the rest I regard as, at best, purveyors of the big clubs' propaganda, or, at worst, self-opinionated, lazy, and ignorant. Even ex-players writing (or more likely being ghost-written) in the press get on my nerves sometimes, as I'm sure they're instructed by their paper's editorial staff to cover specific subjects.
Right - that's time for me to get off my soap box :-) {Ed025's Note - you stay on that soap box mate, i agree with all of that sid..

Im an everton fan but sat with a lpool fan in lpool fans bit right next to the everton fans, it was sung on 3 occassions which was a bit of a let down considering the kops thanks at the start of the match, I don't think it was to do with the hillisbrough thing its more to do with the events of early 80s, still could of been avoided

06 May 2013 14:08:02
I'd sell Jelavic and Naismith buy fer and remy or stracqualsi

So you would replace one non scoring striker with another, well that makes sense. And forget Remy he wants to go to Arsenal.

06 May 2013 11:31:48
Don't mean to sound bias and correct me if i'm wrong? but why was Gerrard given Man of the match? I Personally thought it was between jags & Distin {Ed025's Note - it was jags for me mate..

It also annoys me that MOTD have an ardent RS fan in Steve Wilson commentating too!

The whole media is full of ex rs. you can't watch a sky match or football programme and there they are, makes me sick. And as for redknapp what an advert for those m/s suits he advertises you wouldn't buy one judging by the kip of him. Its like trying to fit into your arl school uniform when you left school 30yrs ago.

06 May 2013 10:11:49
Thought the blue smoke bombs at Anfield made us look like hillbillies who'd just been given pocket money. I wouldn't want some try-hard ruining my view of the game. Like that fat mess in the Gwladys Street berating Diouf a few seasons ago, it does us no favours. Does seem to be a re-emergence of pure bell behaviour.

Is this a joke? for me it made for a good atmosphere, I guess you're one of those who prefers to sit down all game giving lip to any player to pull on the royal blue jersey.
Get a grip, fair play to anyone who took them!

Alex

I don't need to reinforce my Evertonian credentials with toddler-style props (which in all probability annoy those around me, but they're too scared to say so, such is modern society). Prefer to sit, given that I've paid a small fortune for the privilege, but will stand if you think that will look good on my CV as a football supporter. I guess you're one of those people who says "lad" a lot, wears a quilted jacket, jeans with white trainers and lives in Woolton. "Atmosphere". What are you, a Club 18-30 rep? {Ed025's Note - whats wrong with living in woolton?..

Not quite right i'm afraid, good try though, much like you actually, except I don't go moaning for someone who looks to get behind the team, and those people who do say "lad" did a mighty good job.

Fair point (and apologies, Ed, for seeming to denigrate Woolton). Not sure how a blue smoke bomb is seen as the embodiment of the Black Watch, but can see how it would get some people really excited.

05 May 2013 18:36:15
Heard a few whispers of a swap deal including Fellaini with De Bruyne and Lukaku from Chelsea coming our way. Heard anything ed? {Ed025's Note - a few have mentioned that mike, but i have not heard anything from my guys mate..

05 May 2013 23:41:12
Unlucky today boys! Should have got the goal but descions even themselves out (aparentley). One of the worst games iv seen all season though tbh!

13reds

I am 56 years old and can honestly say in my lifetime we have never had the rub of the green with decisions against the reds. I could list may disallowed Blues goals or refused penalties for us. Or soft sending offs. I could also list ones where their players should have been off. The best example was the Clattenburg ref match. Or the Clive Thomas one. They do not even themselves up. Well not yet they haven't.
Degsypulford

06 May 2013 09:15:14
Apart from the goal, I thought the ref had a decent game, he didn't let the crowd around him or the liverpool supporters dictate his decisions. {Ed025's Note - but he did make that terrible blunder, so no praise from me mate..