Everton banter 3

15 May 2024 17:48:57
Just been reading Beto wants us to sell him in the summer because he wants to play and not be a sub which i get. but do we actually even own him yet because i can't see any team giving us £26 million for him . l like the effort he puts in but his 1st touch is shocking he traps it further than i can kick it and can't stay on side.

15 May 2024 19:01:27
He's not on a lease or hire purchase arrangements ?.

15 May 2024 20:43:10
I would imagine he will get his wish for 1st team football, even if he stays, as I can see us selling DCL.

16 May 2024 02:06:44
Maupay and chermiti as back up to Beto then ?‍♂️?‍♂️.

16 May 2024 09:06:55
If Maupay does as well as he did, . he'd be our best player.

{Ed025's Note - he will never be the best player in any team FBS, one if not THE worst player we have ever signed imo mate..

16 May 2024 11:15:52
Let him go asap, he's not good enough for this league. Only thing going for him is that he puts in the effort but shouldn't every player do that anyway? As mentioned above, his control is shocking, he's constantly offside and his shooting is erratic. Cut our losses and grant him his wish immediately. If we sell dcl and are left with him as our main striker then we will be scrapping again at the bottom of the table next season for sure.

16 May 2024 14:21:17
DCL:

Minutes played - 2092
Games completing 60 minutes or more - 24
Goals scored - 7 (2 Penalties)
Big chances created - 4
Big chances missed - 15
Offsides - 23

Beto:

Minutes played - 942
Games completing 60 minutes or more - 9
Goals scored - 3
Big chances created - 3
Big chances missed - 8
Offsides - 10

The lad has never gotten a chance to build up even a slither of confidence and we all know that is what strikers thrive off. He has come to a new league and country, in probably the most high-pressured environment possible, considering all the circus with this club.

In noway shape or form do we play to his strengths. The one time we put the ball into him (lovely ball from Garner) he buries it. The occasional times we put him in behind (Doncaster and Newcastle) and he bursts through, using his power and finishes.

Its absolutely baffling how Dom gets given the benefit of the doubt (rightly so btw) about how terrible we are, how little chances we create for him and how he is up there fighting on his own but then those same benefits are not gifted to Beto.

Is Dom a better player, undisputedly so. However, Dom went 19 games without scoring a goal and it was everyone else's fault but his. He has played more than double the game time, got more consistent runs in the team and only scored double the goals Beto has with penalties.

Yes, it was the Italian league but go and look at the goals Beto was scoring for Udinese. He doesn't look like a player who can't score goals to me. Give him time, build his confidence and ultimately, actually give him minutes and he could easily be a 10+ goals striker a season.

The rubbish this man gets is criminal when you can clearly see he tries his best for the shirt, especially when the same cannot be said about others that actually play.

{Ed025's Note - i suppose its how you view things BN, for me Beto is useless mate, very strong and powerful but hes in the wrong sport for me, cant lead the line and is very poor in the air for me, no composure in front of goal and deceptively slow, just my opinion of course..

16 May 2024 15:06:51
By no means do I think he has delivered for us Ed. I think he has been a disappointment but I do think there is an awful lot of context to that disappointment.

It is strange, due to his build and presence, but holding the ball up is not his game. He is slow off the mark but once he gets going he is a hard man to stop.

I think the chances he has missed this season are poor but I think his confidence was decimated from the introduction to life at us. I think he has been criminally mis-managed by Dyche and any chance of him getting going has been non-existent.

I know it is only Doncaster but fans were excited by what he showed in that game. It is extremely unfortunate that Dom decided to be fit for the first time in what felt like forever, which then limited him to a few 5/ 10 minute spells off the bench, where ultimately his confidence eroded by the week.

Personally I think the lad would work best with a partner. It seems absolutely baffling to me that we have one of the best strikers in the league for winning the ball in the air and winning knockdowns or flick ons and then we have Beto, who thrives off being played in behind. How many times has Dyche tried them together, I think I can recall once!

The way I think about new signings has taken a different view now Ed. I will gladly admit that I thought Mykolenko and McNeil were absolutely garbage, even though, like Beto, they both worked their bollocks off. There is no question that they have improved since getting that first stint under their belt. Don't get me wrong they are both still very limited players but they have been important players for us this season for sure. I just feel that Beto could turn out that way for us to, if he was actually given the opportunity.

We shelled out 26 million on him and after this season, I doubt we would get anywhere near that back. Taking that into account, we may as well either give him a chance to prove his worth and/ or increase his value or loan him out back to an Italian club to do the same. I think selling him, is terrible business given our situation.

{Ed025's Note - if we could get our money back i would take him to his new club by wheelbarrow BN, not a fan at all mate but respect your opinion..

16 May 2024 22:12:28
Totally agree with ed025 on everything he said at the end of BN's 1st post. It's about opinions and I've formed mine by watching him play in a blue shirt. For me, he is not, and probably never will be, at premier league standard.
Let's forget about Doncaster as they are not in the same league. He did do well that game but the fact that he has never replicated that game speaks volumes. That is probably his level in this country. Remember his miss against them as well? It sticks in the mind because it nearly went for a throw in!
I'll take your word on the amount of times he has been offside but also remember the times he's in an offside position that breaks up our rhythm and play because he can't receive a pass or the ref will blow.
Blaming the manager is a tough one as, if he trains like he plays, I wouldn't be playing him either.
I don't think confidence is the problem, BN, I honestly don't believe he has the ability to play at this level.
I don't see many people being horrible about him, everyone who doesn't share your opinion have said the same sort of things, tries hard but. Hardly criminal mate, it's just an opinion!

15 May 2024 15:29:08
Barber, chief exec at Brighton:

"Player recruitment is not a perfect science. We have a 'twin track' of investing a lot of money in our academy to find players on our own doorstep and finding talent from parts of the world others are not even looking in, let alone recruiting from. It is that part which gives us confidence. "

Everton new owners, whoever you may be, take note please!

15 May 2024 18:09:07
Sounds straight forward. Why Brighton would be the only team doing this is baffling.

15 May 2024 18:40:24
There's bound to ne players aged 18-25 years old in leagues we haven't even thought of looking in who would make us better, and probably for peanuts.

15 May 2024 19:25:03
Teams send scouts all over the planet and they have there own youth systems if local youths are deemed good enough they get signed up.

16 May 2024 19:13:28
Watched my Grandson in a multi-age Tournament. Two old guys (older than me at the time) wearing Everton kit (scouts) , asked me how old was this lad, that lad (grandson) ? I answered, 8. Hmmmm we like to get em 6 or 7 at this level, I laughed!

15 May 2024 10:01:28
If Deli, Gomes, Keane Danjums and Onana all leave that's an around 500k a week off the wage bill. 500k for players who hardly played.
Or look at it another way, that's 26m a season.

15 May 2024 12:54:09
Embarrassingly, it's probably even more than that, Harlex.
Keane may end up staying - can't see who'd pay his wages.

15 May 2024 18:42:33
I think Keane will leave unless Dyche has told him that Branthwaite could be going, so to hang around . I doubt it though. He hasn't played much and I'd think he would take slight pay decrease for 1st team football somewhere.

16 May 2024 06:08:37
They need replacing and at what cost?

Doesn't help the figures for 23/ 24 which end 30th June this year.

16 May 2024 19:14:21
It does if we sell before then.

17 May 2024 01:28:56
DFS

What profit would we make? Most of them are loans/ end of contract.

15 May 2024 08:29:33
Just a thought, so sorry if this is a stupid question, But if we are being hung out to dry on these loans that have to be paid back before a certain time, can't our owner use his own money as a loan on a zero pay back option, Everton still have to pay him back, no intrest or a lot lower , its his money and his club, or is there some ruling this cannot happen.

15 May 2024 08:45:03
Sounds fair too sensible that BluePasty mate.

15 May 2024 09:30:08
Don’t think he’s got any money mate. He’s a billionaire due to investments he owns in companies. Apparently.

15 May 2024 14:12:21
Think his money disappeared with Usmanov. Since the invasion he's not put anything forward. He can't publicly say this of course.

15 May 2024 14:20:20
People don't have money just sitting in the bank. It'll be invested in all sorts of places. Moshiri has already invested a lot of his own money into the club and in it's current state would be stupid to put more in when he is selling it.

I would prefer he sticks with the club than 777 and just let the right people run it. In two years and with little or less drama possibly, he could get the value he holds it at or at least better equipped people looking at it as an investment.

15 May 2024 16:19:57
Does he shop at Aldi now?

15 May 2024 17:02:11
Nowt wrong with Aldi Nick, do a lovely selection of yogurts. ?.

16 May 2024 06:39:56
Look at the accounts

The club has a interest free loan out from Blue Sky Holdings, one of Moshiri's companies of £450m. Repayment date has not been fixed and I don't think they are secured against any assets of the club. I think this was an increase of approx 80m from previous year

Moshiri could, in theory, provide more but his heart isn't in the club, so I doubt he is willing to put in more when he is already facing losing hundreds of millions in selling the club. Personally I have little sympathy in his losses, the fool and his money are soon parted

The fact it leaves us in a hole does worry me.

15 May 2024 08:13:23
Interesting debate over spurs fans wanting to lose so Arsenal don't win the title. I'm curious, if we played Manchester United if they're running for the title and beating them could hand the title to Liverpool, would you hope Everton lose?

15 May 2024 08:44:22
I would want Everton to win every time TomTom. Just the taste of defeat wouldn't taste as bitter.

15 May 2024 09:31:25
Never. Only want us to win. What happens around that I couldn’t care less.

15 May 2024 10:19:13
Yeh me too. Always want us to win!

15 May 2024 11:25:36
Always a win mate.

15 May 2024 13:13:06
It's the jobs of other clubs to do your club a "favour" and often we all joke that for "tonight I'll be rooting for ****" but to go against your own club at anytime is not right. They could have still qualified for CL . Embarrassing stuff and I hope it was only the casual fans who don't really count but I suspect it. was wide spread.

15 May 2024 18:35:29
If it was us, I'd route for the win and then remind them we won them the title?.

16 May 2024 10:37:39
Always the win, I couldn't care less about other teams.

17 May 2024 08:32:42
Always the win.

Why would you make your rivals more important than your own team?

15 May 2024 07:39:09
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13 May 2024 19:40:16
It was obvious that 777, were never anywhere near passing the test of being fit and proper persons to run a premier league football club, and had they done their job, F/ M Would have had to look for an alternative buyer, long ago.
So yes, our problems are of our own creation, but had the premium league done their job, this current crisis situation would never have arisen.
They are part of the problem and should be making a better fist of being part of the solution.

14 May 2024 03:46:18
They are doing their job.

14 May 2024 07:41:13
Also I am pretty sure they passed the fit and proper owners test - it's proof of funds that is the problem.

14 May 2024 10:48:25
Got to wonder how they passed that given their track record with other clubs.

14 May 2024 11:38:05
It's not the EPLs job to decide who FM sells the club to, it's their job to make sure the buyers are responsible and and competent enough to run a huge institution, they've done right by all us Evertonians in establishing that these 777 charlatans are most undesirable custodians of the club.

13 May 2024 16:36:13
The latest footage from our new stadium is nothing short of stunning, can't wait to get up there for a visit.

13 May 2024 15:28:36
They say you should not speak ill of the dead, and I do not intend to do so.
However given the clubs present situation, it seems reasonable to consider the roll of Bill Kenwright, Bill was, I believe a committed Evertonion, but was gravely mislead in the choices he made in respect of the clubs future financial stability.

If as we and Bill were told F/M was a man of great personal wealth, surely his reliance on his Russian friend for funding, should have started to ring warning bell,s long before the Russian war took him out of the picture.
And whilst bill bears some responsibility, the roll of the premier league should also come into question, happy to use us as their whipping boy.

13 May 2024 17:27:35
With the money that was spent, we should have a squad capable of competing at the top of the table. Our income would have increased with success and we might not be where we are now.

13 May 2024 18:25:26
Also worth pointing out that many people said at the time Moshiri was simply a front for Usmanov and we chose to look the other way because hey Money money money. It's been said before, but for the last time I hope.

We made our bed, we have to lie in it. We have had plenty of opportunities to put things right, ED02 has been correctly calling out how bad things are for many years - and if he knew, then EFC must have known too, and that is everyone that ran this club not just Bill.

13 May 2024 18:46:11
If it wasn't for the Ukrainian conflict then perhaps the duo's deceitful money swaps may and I say may have turned out to be legal if unorthodox and perhaps even would have managed to convolute a viable excuse for some of the over spending. But it didn't work that way. Not sure Bill could have foreseeable insight as it's been a right old house of cards. Guess the safe stance to take is all Billionaires probably did some pretty savage stuff at some points to build that kind of wealth. We probably need a consortium of millionaires who can all reign eachother in? Billionaires suck.

13 May 2024 19:50:48
If I am correct, Usmanov and Morshiri wanted to increase their shares in Arsenal but, Cronke said no. Maybe he knew something that should have sounded alarm bells to others.

14 May 2024 03:55:49
Said that at the time Bill brought Moshiri in. The other problem on investment was Bill himself. Loved the Club so much he couldn't let go. Fair do's Bill also by all accounts tried to temper Moshiri but advice from elsewhere apparently held sway. It is what it is, would of, could of, should of has long gone.

14 May 2024 14:37:49
Not one Evertonian was saying we shouldn't be buying players and we shouldn't be spending money. except Bill.

In his first AGM he said exactly that on stage with Moshiri. "He keeps saying he wants to buy this player and that player and I'm like, you can't go out and buy everyone".

Simon Jordan also said that he said to Bill about his purchases. Bill said to him "how do you tell a billionaire to not spend his money? He doesn't listen".

The sway was the agents AND the fans demands. Moshiri listened to the fans over sacking managers too early which he admitted and listened to the agents on buying rubbish. Maybe if he'd listened to Bill we might not have been in the mess. After all he'd just brought 11 years of stability with little money.

13 May 2024 14:39:59
Personally this close season I have vowed not to worry about incomings and outgoings this close season . I know we will have to sell some players and more will be out of contract. I also know that players that come in may not be of the quality we desire . However I will not stress and trust in our manager and DOF to get it right . This may change by July ?.

13 May 2024 15:58:01
I for one do not trust our DOF.

13 May 2024 17:28:11
Time will tell I suppose, he’s had a good while to identify free/ cheap players.

13 May 2024 17:54:39
I would like a complete clear out. DOF, SD, coaching staff. We've lost our way in the ability to bring in youngsters and end up with a finished product. Why have an academy if we let them go because a manager does not rate them.

15 May 2024 09:35:03
The only reason I can think of Nick is that it’s pure profit as their home grown players. Otherwise as you say why have it.